“Killing Time” from The Battle for Earth

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  1. I thought it would be AMAZING if Amber could wear a necklace on one of her movies. My favorite aspects of all her movies have been her back arches / back breakers / low blows, etc. basically anything that exposes her neck fully. I thought it’d be GREAT if a small necklace could accentuate her neck, it’d make the movie(s) SO much better for me. (not that they aren’t amazing).

    Does anyone else feel the same way, or am I the only guy?

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  2. sugarcoater says:

    If I may ask, how good is/are the sex scenes? Is there any internal dialogue?

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  3. I don’t think pitching content was actually helpful to my point. Instead theres a more practical way of looking at these series. Turn TBFE into purely pg-13 story line led videos, remove all the r-rated elements, beatdowns, sex scenes, torture and so on, place more emphasis on special effects and action. Keep punished heroines as the hardcore fetish, male self-insert, humiliation, beatdown r-rated line. Lucia films would be the experimental line that would take more risks, using the sort of ideas that perhaps didnt prove to be successful in the poorer selling TBFE videos. A pg-13 TBFE may have a broader appeal, and attempt to slowly ease the burden of the custom model by using patreon funding for one story, and take it from there. At least you would have 3 distinct series, without cross pollinating TBFE and punished heroines which i think do overlap too much content wise. That could be the real reason for the repetition and stagnation that some of us are concerned with, too many ideas that just dont belong together, crammed into one video.

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    • Imagineer says:

      I don’t think TBFE has any interest in being put into a little box to satisfy someone’s idea of every-brand-a-purpose at the expense of creative and economic license.

      I don’t know why people have such a hard time understanding why customs dominate these studios output or why they turn out the way they do. One person foots half the bill. The market makes up the other half, after the fact. That one person gets what they want, which may be derivative or weird or awkward or all three.

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  4. I have noticed the growing division amongst us in the comment section, and i propose a (possible) solution in terms of varying these stories. Its become apparent to me that the the dominant model for these scenarios is the male (self-insert/relatable), beatdown orientatated, torture etc of the heroine, where the importance of story has somewhat diminshed compared to many of the earlier TBFE releases. Personally this direction does not appeal to me, but i was very pleasantly surprised by Dark Surrender. What I’m suggesting, to shake things up a bit, is yes, the custom model is the dominant one, overwhelmingly based on male/female. As someone who prefers female/female, but has bought selected male/female releases in the past, if say the next 6 videos are customs, perhaps try making the 7th, 8th , 9th, whatever, as an in-house video (or however you do these things) where its female/female with more of an emphasis on plot and sex.
    But you would not be departing too much from the TBFE formula, the earlier releases you could tap into would be TBFE solaria the relic, solaria the hunt, Hell, solaria overcum, and the aforementioned Dark Surrender. For these occasional releases apart from keeping it female/female, you amp up the sex element. What i mean is, in wrestling parlance, you split the roster of your female performers. You have your pg-13, no nudity based performers like layla, Amber Mcalester and so on for the current trend, and thats fine. But for these limited, special releases you bring back performers like mia malkova, blair williams, who are adult performers anway, so if you are going to use them, the USE them for what they excell at. The same argument applies to Saharra Huxly.
    Here is a sort of pitch, to flesh out my point. On a post from a previous release, some one suggested a haunted house type plot, with Supergirl-Solaria, in a situation where her powers are weakened or just ineffective. You have Saharra Huxly as a demonic/slasher movie type character, shes done similar videos in the past, and you have Mia malkova or Blair Williams, as the buxom heroine who crosses her path, is terrorised and ravished to death, make the sexual content longer, 15 minutes for example. Here’s the thing, with this kind of female/female based formula, you could do what Punished Heroines Did, and split the story into two parts ( I know this was unpopular) but with the emphasis one story, female/female and sexual destruction of the heroine rather than beatdown centric, and you charge a bit more. test the waters.
    I certainly would be happy to pay more for a more sex themed release, and i mentioned solaria overcum and those other videos as possible templates. There is an audience amongst us for female/female domination, I’m not demanding that immediately TBFE junk their business mode, and junk the current trend of what the content of the customs are. But there might be a nice little quasi-occasional spin off from TBFE or a part of TBFE to be made, that could add some variety now and again, and in the future some kind of stylistic crossover with Lucia or FEARGIRL as a special event. Worth a try.

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  5. shfyd says:

    I commissioned this custom. Have been a big fan of Amber for a while and liked the Sunder character too. This video connects with the previous Sunder videos and there is a story arc running through them. There is one more which the Finale, it has been shot and just waiting for TBFE to complete post production.

    As the person who requested the custom, I am very pleased with the finished product. Amber is as beautiful as I have ever seen her and she plays the confident heroine who runs into peril but fights on notwithstanding really well.

    No nudity, because that is not Amber’s thing and I respect that. She still delivers in many other ways. TBFE’s post production work is great too, so I am a very satisfied customer

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    • Andy says:

      Question. How does a commission work? Do you get your money back if the video sells well? Or you just pay to have it produced at your specifications?

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      • TBob says:

        You pay for the custom, which is usually in the thousands. You do not get the money back if the video sells well. Most of the time you don’t get everything you want that you included in your script even though it was okayed by the producer. A lot of the time the producers have to change things the day of shooting for a multitude of reasons. Sometimes you don’t even get the model that you requested because something happened the day of the shoot and they had to use a different model. Sometimes you have to wait 6 months or longer from the day you paid for the custom to actually see the finished video. Paying for a custom is a huuuuge risk to the customer.

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        • Heroine Fall says:

          Wow, this is insightful. I never knew producing a custom allowed so much risk to the customer. I have to assume it goes right more often than not. I’ll do some research into this.

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          • TBob says:

            I am sure a lot of people here will disagree with me, but I had my fair share of letdowns over the years.

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          • TBob says:

            Also a lot of really good customs too.

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          • Jacques says:

            I can confirm that while virtually all my customs met or exceeded my expectations, I have had a couple of duds. It is a major let down as customs costs are easily into four figures. One dud is one dud too many. Over the last couple of years, happily I have not have had any issues. I tend to select the same producer for all my customs. We are now at the point where we completely trust each other and we both know how the other thinks.

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        • shbeater says:

          The only producer I have used (other than DT Wrestling, which is a bit different) is Rye. The couple I have had done he has followed the script I provided pretty much exactly. I can’t think of anything that has been left out. How I visualized it beforehand might have been slightly different on a couple of occasions, but that isn’t something that can be catered for really. I’ve always had the model and outfit that I requested. If the model had to pull out or the outfit was not available I would expect to be informed and offered a full refund if I wasn’t happy with the alternatives. Luckily, I’ve not been in that position yet. You can keep the cost down my going for a simple short movie, but the more you want in it, the higher the cost, obviously.

          Thinking about this, it would be nice to have more movies made from contributions of a few people to spread the cost. The problem with this is conflicting peril elements. Maybe there could be some way of creating categories of elements that people have in common so that what is produced more or less meets with all of their approvals. A simple little database of peril element combinations and a list of subscribers to those elements would then provide the opportunity for a producer to make something with those subscribers in mind. As an example, my top perils are face slapping and punching plus some others which gradually lose importance to me. Of course, how those elements are then delivered comes into it, but at least if the peril elements were agreeable to all contributors they could successfully collaborate on a script to include them.

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          • shbeater says:

            Oh yes, and the outfit is also important to me but there are only so many variations of that and so that’s simpler to cater for. For me, it has to be the classic SG outfit but I think there are enough followers of each type of outfit for that not to be a deal breaker, so to speak.

            I can’t afford to have customs made as a rule, but if I had a mail from Rye, for example, saying he was going to film Coco in the SG outfit and the list of perils matched my interest, I’d be willing offer up my contribution to the making of it, if it was an amount that I was okay with at the time.

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          • Alexknyc says:

            There is a producer who does things like this but since I don’t see his stuff here, I don’t know if he’s okay to mention here.

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      • Shfyd says:

        You dont get back any of the money you paid, and it could take as long as 6 months to get the finished product. TBFE have always delivered all or almost all my requests. Sometimes there is a wardrobe issue, but otherwise been great with them. And no, one does not get a share of the sales

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      • A Custom works by you give the producer money, and basically retain some right of creative control in whatever you want to custom produce.

        However, at the end of the day, you are merely a client, which mean for better or worst, you will not earn money nor lose money (Beside the money you paid to commission a custom) because you do not own the right to the material produced, they retain as the Producer intellectual properties.

        There are many method/ways to make a custom, quite depends on money you are willing to pay and how much creative control you want to have, both goes hand in hand. You can tell (or write down) the producer what you want, and they try to make something inline with what you want, but those are hit and missed, on the other hand, it wouldn’t cost you much to commission (Probably a few hundred dollars depends on the length)

        The other way is for the commissioner to send a script to the producer, and then the Production company will modify it to a workable script (ie, actor are willing to perform and it’s within their production limits) and once you (as the commissioner) and the producer agrees, the movie goes into production. This way you will have increased creative control, however, the flipside is that it will cost you a lot of money (High Hundred to Low Thousands)

        As a producer, I would much prefer the first one, because, I can put in more control and remember, I am the person who produce it, which mean if I don’t have much control, the production can falls apart very easily. However, that would be up to me (the producer) not you (the commissioner) who is in charge of the production and its direction, so you might end up something different in your vision, simply because, no matter how clear you put your vision to me, what I think and what you think would have a gap in between and both can never be the same.

        As for risk, it really depends, most people won’t refund commission work, especially in a contributed idea (ie the first way) but if you (the commissioner) is in creative control, and you pay thousand of dollars and you don’t get the product you want, then most likely you can ask for a refund and the producer usually will give you your money back and they will just sell that video on their site and delink any connection between you and the video.

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  6. Rover says:

    I enjoyed this “repetitive” “old wine”. SHIP is a niche genre. It’s SHIP. If you put on a hip hop record you shouldn’t complain that it isn’t jazz. No need for impressive essays.

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  7. Heroine Fall says:

    I will preface this comment stating I have not, nor do I intend to purchase this video.

    While I agree that an old wine analogy is poor, I won’t disagree that this content is stale. I’ve never shared an admiration for Amber, since much better actresses are willing to do more daring content. She is beautiful, don’t get me wrong, but the dangling carrot of boobies unseen makes her videos disappointing to say the least. I don’t mean to make jabs at Amber, lord knows I don’t know her as a person, but as the genre evolves into a balance between sexual peril, story, and beat down fetishes, videos depicting PG-13 Amber should fall to the wayside. I’d to see Amber in a video like Hand of Man II as much as the next guy, but I respect her decisions regarding her image. That does not mean I’ll support her content.

    TBFE’s content misses more often than not for me, despite their excellent camera quality, great special effects, and beautiful actresses. Somehow, they always seem behind Rye and Lucia with seemingly low risk content, tame sexual peril, and lackluster stories. I can appreciate the posture, as I’m sure producing isn’t cheap and dwindling sales strangulate creativity. Most will conclude that piracy is to blame, and I’m sure it holds its percentage, but in my experience not all pirate steal with cash in their pockets. Some steal because they can’t afford the content, so in a way they don’t count. My point is, though the quality has increased substantially over the years, the content has become repetitive, evident in the words of many fans. This is not exclusive to TBFE and extends to all producers including favorites such as The Rye. If honesty were an option I imagine they would admit it. Rising prices affect us all.

    For those of you complaining about repetition, I’ve offered many times in the past to organize a push towards fresh content, pooling funds for the cause. TBFE, Rye, and Lucia have no obligation to take a risk if the content they produce keeps their lights on and bellies fed. Speaking up, demanding, and insulting will not change that. If you want to make a difference it will cost you—change always costs something. If anyone is interested in gathering to produce a video, I plan on contacting Lucia soon with a script I’ve been working on. Perhaps we will share the vision and bring something new to the genre, together.

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    • Darkwrath016 says:

      There’s quite a lot to unpack here and far be it for me to question what you feel is true but there are two things I’ll like to at least offer some contradictions to.

      First, you can hardly blame TBFE for repetition in their videos. They are producing CUSTOMS which are subject to the whims of the customer who serves as executive producer and writer. And if anything I’ve always found TBFE stuff way more complex than most producers who promote on this site. The peril stuff I may not like all that much most of the times but their stories and plots are really something.

      Second, as a person who loves PG13 content I would hate for people like Amber to go to the wayside. I frequently buy PG13 stuff and R-rated stuff and I have personally found that the PG13 actresses are much better at being a superheroine in peril than the R-rated actress. A lot of R-rated actress have what I call porno reactions to the peril they are suffering. They get hit and you can’t tell if it’s a cry of pain or a cry of pleasure. Many times I’m fairly certain it’s the latter even though I know they just got smacked in the face. But that’s also understandable. Many of them are from the porn industry. SHIP films make up what? 5% of the videos they star in. On the other hand many (but not all) PG13 actresses know they can’t rely on their bodies and boobs to sell a video and must instead give convincing performances least they may never be called again.

      Cassidy was spectacular back in her heyday. Layla can act circles around any R-rated actress both in portraying a superheroine and acting out peril. The girl who stared in the Wonderous Girl series by Rye is in my mind, the all-time best actress there ever was. And that’s just naming a few.

      So while I get that people may wish to see more explicit content, I’m fairly certain the genre is big enough for people who like PG13 content to live harmoniously next to the people who love R-rated stuff. And to give people like me—who love both R-rated and PG13 stuff—safe passage between the two types.

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      • saxman314 says:

        Amber shows her tits in a recent video. Piracy is 100% the reason we don’t get more quality content. Wtf are you on about?

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        • saxman314 says:

          Comment directed to Heroinefall, not Darkwrath.

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        • Heroine Fall says:

          I assume you have evidence? I’d love to read about it.

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          • saxman314 says:

            You assume correctly, but my private conversations with producers about their business are not mine to share. Ask them yourself. The reason they’re not taking chances or releasing anything but customs is they need the initial investment to make it worth their while these days, as their work is pirated immediately.

            You can also look to the music industry for evidence of the devastating effects of piracy on the ability to earn a living. A simple google search will do.

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          • Heroine Fall says:

            I’d be curious to see how a value is put on piracy. Do they track the number of copies shared? Of those shares how can one be certain the individual would have purchased the video if no other means were available? I’ve borrowed a blockbuster video from a friend and watched it, but would have never paid to see the film because I wasn’t sure I’d enjoy it. Can Hollywood claim loss in this scenario?

            As I said before, I’m sure piracy plays a part in sales, but stating “because producers say so” is hardly an argument to support a “Piracy is 100% the reason” claim. But, as I’ve said many times before—with piracy a consideration—those who want to see their favorite content grow should purchase from and support the videos they enjoy.

            I’ve seen studios who operate on the “free” model earn upwards of 60k a month without selling a thing. They also release a video every 2-4 months. The model functions off pledges and provides perks to those who support the cause such as early releases. Yes, problems arise with this model, but nothing is perfect. I submit this as proof that fans are willing to pay for content they enjoy. I’m sure more than piracy is to blame if videos aren’t selling.

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          • Imagineer says:

            If a producer says that piracy is 100% the reason that they don’t make more/different content, then it’s not about actual numbers but their perception and their emotional response.

            Were I a producer and I saw my stuff on a pirate site the same day I released it, I would be disinclined to listen to any public forum posts about my product and pay attention only to email from customers whose serial numbered content never showed up on a pirate site. It would absolutely affect what I made and for whom. It’s hard not to be overwhelmingly influenced by a kick to the balls, whether or not someone told me how many Newtons were applied.

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          • saxman314 says:

            The market is dynamic and there are many contributing factors, but of course the biggest is the availability of your premium product for free. This is a fairly basic concept that is easy to understand. We also have producers who have been in the industry since before file-sharing and video-share sites became ubiquitous, and can compare their numbers directly, as well as sales data that corresponds to a release before and after it is shared on a file sharing site. I get that you’d love nothing more than to prove that stealing people’s shit doesn’t hurt anyone, but you are wrong.

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          • TBob says:

            Cult Retro blamed piracy on why he stopped producing for the most part. He never did put out that last Stormy Tempest movie he made as far as I know.

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          • Heroine Fall says:

            Well, Saxman, it appears our communication is not fairing well. I’m bowing out of this discussion, which should have never taken place on this post. I spoke my opinion on TBFE video line and learned from Allen’s insightful rely. I’m content to move forward with a different perspective than I had entering the discussions on reoccurring video themes. Be well.

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      • Heroine Fall says:

        With sincere respect, I understand and accept most of your arguments. Though, a portion will always be indisputable as preference and opinion. The comment, “A lot of R-rated actress have what I call porno reactions to the peril they are suffering.” made me laugh, because I could picture exactly what you meant. It’s a fine line, true, but claiming all R-rated actresses are inferior when portraying proper peril expression is a bit absolute, don’t you think? Have you seen Primal’s Mighty Girl, the original one where she’s trapped in a magical circle? I forget her name, but that actress did XXX work and gave a very convincing performance despite the awkward dialogue written into the scene.

        There is an element of hypocrisy to my statement, I would agree. Though, one might argue that TBFE feels most comfortable accepting customs that result in the same content. If true, that does warrant some finger pointing, useless it may be. There is advantage to doing the same thing over and over, allowing the quality to increase. It’s not that I don’t believe the TBFE is incapable of producing content I would enjoy, I don’t believe they want to in the same regard Rye will never do hardcore. And as a creative person, I respect that, but will not invest money into it because it doesn’t scratch my itch.

        I can still appreciate their camera work, special effects, and the beauty of their models, but $40 for 3-5 minutes of poorly executed, tame sexual peril after a villain has beaten her senseless for 30 minutes, shot lasers at her, and all other manors of violence seems ridiculous. If you could sleep with a real life superheroine, would you trow in the towel after 3 minutes? One splatter of cum and off she goes? I’d probably bang her until my vital organs gave out from vitamin loss, personally.

        I agree PG-13 content deserves to be part of the genre, and falling to the wayside is harsh. I take back that statement. Its dominance has become frustrating and tiresome over the years having greater resources, more studios, and actresses more inclined to partake in tamer content. I can’t fault them for that. NGC, TBFE, and man other studios contribute to the PG-13 pool, while good R-Rated content make less regular appearance. TBFE produces both, but I feel their R-rated content misses more often than it hits. If memory serves, they began as PG-13 only. Don’t quote me on that.

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        • thomas says:

          I think you mean callie calypso, she was amazing, did a lot of xxx and some great superheroine movies, the rumint was that she did a extra part in a sons of anarchy episode and went “legit” very much a shame for the XXX fan base she had (like me)

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        • The Battle For Earth says:

          Respectfully, why don’t I just clear it up. Our films are not based on what we personally want nor are we trying to accept the same requests because we believe there is some benefit to a rinse and repeat strategy. Quite the opposite. We simply do our best do produce the films as instructed by the customer’s script, and 99% of the time, the extent of the content is what the customer has requested, or a limitation has been set by the talent. It is unfortunate but understandably seldom that we’re given free reign to “take chances” or do what we want. We’re more than happy to film “harder core” scenarios so long as the talent is comfortable and have done so numerous times outside of this project.

          It’s also good to keep in mind that while we personally look forward to the “out of the box” projects and do our best to produce them whenever we can, many things that folks feel are creative or a different direction, or even “harder core”, end up selling fewer copies – not all, but enough to warrant consideration. That doesn’t deter us from accepting the project but we often pay for it with fewer sales.

          Through the years, complaints have frequently popped up about content being boring, similar, or recycled. I’m sure we as producers get into habits or the feel or style becomes similar movie to movie. I can guarantee you that just like the next person though, we’d love a fresh story line. I constantly try and reinvent the way I approach a project but ultimately, we continue to get paid requests for very much the same thing. I’m honestly throwing my two cents in to encourage folks to bring whatever fresh perspective, pushing limits, new idea to the table – always! I’d love to read it and Heroine Fall, I know you indicated you were heading Lucia’s way (can’t go wrong there), but if you’ve got the next most popular trend brewing, I’d love to read it!

          One final thought to close with. The same producer can take the same concept or story line with the same costume, and if the talent is new and decent, nobody ever complains about it being the same movie. Food for thought.

          Also, to everyone in general, if you’ve personally had a negative, visceral reaction and you feel like you’ve got to communicate to the world that TBFE or another custom producer sucks, is on repeat and stole your money, try to remember our business model. Somewhere, somebody put a tremendous amount of time, effort, and creativity imagining this into existence, and while they’re ultimately creating their own fantasy, of course they want their community to enjoy what they’ve created.

          Be good to each other!

          Allen

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          • sugarcoater says:

            That is an impressively polite and edifying post Allen. Thanks for taking the time to write it and being cordial about it.

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          • Heroine Fall says:

            I apologize if anything I said offended you in any way. I come from a film background and understand the tremendous effort that even the smallest projects require. I also sympathize with the frustration of shackled creativity. I’ll admit that I tried to do a SHiP film once, but making connections and finding those willing to partake wasn’t easy. I knew then, as I do now, that I needed resources, talented people to help me create something new. Running the camera, acting, and directing is not the simplest task when filming an action scene. Even harder when your model pops a few pills in your bathroom, lol. That’s a funny story for a later time, though.

            I’ve always considered producers to be fans of SHiP, after all it’s how everything began, which lead to the natural assumption that the content they produce aligns with their tastes. I’m sure there is still truth to that, but it hadn’t occurred to me that producers were so limited to custom videos. It seems logical after giving it thought, since videos require more than a few bodies and a hand held camera these days to produce. I supposed my fixation with seeing films I felt could have been more distracted me from the obvious.

            I remember when TBFE did films without nudity, and I remember appreciating the quality, while wondering what it would be like if a producer of that caliber did explicit content. And then it happened, and I was satisfied for a while, like unboxing a new video game console and seeing the shiny new graphics. Once you’ve seen better, you can never go back, but over time it isn’t enough and the next generation is needed. I’ve spent many years purchasing, watching, and splicing SHiP films together trying to create that next step. I’m confident my vision would create something new, fresh, and exciting if done to my specification. Those who study film know it’s the subtle things that matter, things the audience can’t put their finger on, but nevertheless sense when they’re missing. I want to add those things to the table and add to the mounting qualities that make SHiP so enjoyable to watch. I’d love to discuss it with you, Allen, and I’m humbled by your offer and reply to my comment.

            Thank you for providing your valuable insight.

            -Ryan

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    • Imagineer says:

      Amber helped TBFE push its boundaries. There was a time when their softcore content was much softer than it is today. She didn’t go topless, but the videos she did were more sexually overt and non-consensual than TBFE had typically done before, and she gave good performances. She still gives good performances, and she still looks sexy as hell in that Sunder leotard and those boots. I wish the tat was covered, but I’ll probably pick this up soon anyway.

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    • Heroine Fall says:

      Well, Saxman, it appears our communication is not fairing well. I’m bowing out of this discussion, which should have never taken place on this post. I spoke my opinion on TBFE video line and learned from Allen’s insightful rely. I’m content to move forward with a different perspective than I had entering the discussions on reoccurring video themes. Be well.

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  8. Moue89 says:

    Good to see Amber back and as a blonde again as well. I love you girl, but that red hair was not working

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  9. Laylafck says:

    Don’t waste money… Old wine in new bottle..

    Nothing new… Same like her earlier work…. If u continue this type work…. Then your days are going very fast….

    Learn something from Rye or Lucia
    Their content are always suprising And new ….

    You are just wasting money….

    Either you come with Amber or Ashley … Your variety are gone… Very much disappointing…

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    • josh says:

      People pay a lot of money for those old wines. You don’t know about wines. The new wines are nice, too. I’m just saying. I bought this and loveeeeeeeed it. Amber is such a good actress in this genre.

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    • Depo Man says:

      I don’t disagree with your overall point that new ideas would help. But you referenced Rye to make that point which made LOL hard.

      Lucia is definitely coming up with new ideas tho

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  10. Dde says:

    Why the “explicit content” tag?

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  11. Darkwrath016 says:

    It’s funny but I was just thinking how we haven’t seen Amber in a long time. Glad to see people are still willing to do customs with her. I feel like she’s becoming a little bit underrated with all the new blood that’s been injected into the genre recently but she has and always will be a top tier performer in my mind. She puts on a good performance with each and every video she’s in.

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  12. theEscapist says:

    Someone got a new tattoo…

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