NGC Championship: “Deceptress v Sister Fate”

The Deceptress steps back into the ring against another Villainess she doesn’t fully understand. Her record against the bad girls is getting embarrassing, can she turn things around? Both females use their powers extensively to get the upper hand, but there can only be one winner and YOU decide who that will be! Just visit the homepage and scroll down to the bottom to vote. You have until Wednesday night.

 


 

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F L
F L

I will forever miss her old costume, but anything starring Erica is still an insta-buy for me. Gorgeous and better acting every time we see her.
Can really recommend this one

—SPOILERS—

it’s only a shame the canon ending is not the other one. As fun as seeing our heroines being pummeled, i would like them to win from time to time, specially when Erica used her clone powers in a “dirty” and creative way

Tim Caine
Tim Caine

@ F L – I agree with you about Erica’s costume. But totally disagree about the endings. I thought the bonus ending was really well done. However, I always, Always, ALWAYS prefer to see the heroine take the loss.

Having said that, I have re-edited about a dozen or more of the NGC and NGCC videos to put the bonus ending in. You could do the same if you want to. Your computer probably comes with an app that will allow you to edit video. … it’s not difficult. NGC always seems to make it pretty easy to see where the bonus ending picks up. Then you will have your very own version of the video with which ever ending you prefer.

Cheers

Darkwrath016
Darkwrath016

Gotta provide the dissenting opinion on Erica’s old costume. Her new costume is by far better than the the previous one in my opinion. Granted I’m biased against catsuits in general, Erica’s leotard costume just really accentuates her curves in a way that I felt the old one just couldn’t do. And I don’t quite know why, but to me Erica’s costume is one of the best in all of NGC behind Virtue and probably Celestia (and maybe Athena).

DrMabuse
DrMabuse

I agree with Darkwrath about Erica’s new costume (vs. the old). I’ve tended to like the newer costumes on the heroines, among those who have replaced (Erica, Celestia, Virtue, Miss F) which I think has as much to do with improvements in the tailoring as it does with design, but that’s speculation on my part.

As for the endings, it is pretty easy to stitch the alternative ending to the body of the episode, if that’s your inclination, but I share F L’s sentiments about the heroines losing all the time in the (canon) Championship. It’s a function of allowing the votes to determine winners, since it seems that a lot of people like to see the good girls lose, and certain combatants seem destined to be winners (e.g. Wonderstrike) or losers (Lady Victory), but knowing the voters’ inclinations takes a lot of the suspense out of the series.

I’d argue that outside the Championship, we do get a nice mix of heroines winning and losing in the NGC universe, which is tough to do without straining credibility, since you’d think that if the heroines lose often they’d end up dead. With the embrace of non-canon videos, it opens up the possibility of “permanent” endings involving heroines being killed or (random example) whisked away to an infernal dungeon for endless torment and humiliation without having to say goodbye to that heroine forever. On the other hand, it’d be a shame if a video being declared “non-canon” meant the heroine was definitely going to lose bad, and if it’s canon the heroine will predictably come out on top.

Darkwrath016
Darkwrath016

I always thought that whenever the heroines were carried away that they were always being whisked away to a dungeon for endless torment and humiliation. Are you trying to say that doesn’t happen? :p

That said I do agree with DrMabuse about the championship though. To an extent. Here’s the thing. I love seeing the heroines lose. Can’t get enough of it. Up to a point. What makes the genre work–for me at least–and what’s great about it is that it flips the usual scenario on its head. Super heroine comes in, she’s supposedly strong or well trained and she’s supposed to win. She’s used to winning. She’s used to crushing villains and enemies. So in the genre, when she’s defeated and she herself is crushed in humiliating fashion it’s exciting. It’s what gets most of off I imagine and why we buy this stuff. The championship however is becoming a place where the cannon of that particularly story is one where the heroine ALWAYS loses and that’s sort of taking away from the humiliating aspect of it. I guess you can say that its humiliating in its own right to be constantly defeated and you’ll be right on that point. At the same time though, they’re super heroines! They’re kind of suppose to win. For them to be defeated all the time begins to strain their credibility. Like my favorite heroines in the NGC universe are Spectrum, Starshot, Virtue and Erica. None of them have a stellar record. It’s not clear to me that there’s a heroine or Villain Starshot could ever beat in terms of voting. It’ll be disheartening a bit to see Spectrum go 0-3 despite being the most powerful heroine there is (supposedly anyway). Erica, the previous leader of Elite Force, right after Lady Victory has been in the most fights and has suffered the most defeats. Virtue isn’t too far behind on that score.

To be honest though this really isn’t a problem. I’m just whining at this point. Most of the time–95% of time–I can watch and re-watch this stuff dozens of time and be perfectly fine knowing that the heroine suffered her 5th defeat or so. But every now and then I get to thinking that it would be amazing if say she suffered her 1st defeat after bragging about all the victories she pilled up before. I guess the only thing I can do now is launch an aggressive media campaign to get people to start making heroine’s win again. On the understanding of course we’ll get both endings still.

DrMabuse
DrMabuse

Hey, the defeat scenario I sketched before was just a random example, not at all how I imagine each and every story proceeding after the lights go down on a vanquished heroine…

I get what you’re saying, Darkwrath. Part of the enjoyment from a story comes from the expectations you come into it with (and how those are handled.) People differ, of course, in their taste for having their expectations defied. Moreover, as you suggest, there comes a point where defying expectations creates its own expectation. And, as you say, after a ton of losses, a “mighty heroine” starts to seem less mighty. The Championship addressed this in the case of Lady Victory when she was stripped of her name/identity. (I’d love to see her come back, btw, maybe even win one.)

The problem I highlighted before is the lack of suspense, but it’s a particular kind of predictability, because the outcomes are driven by “what people voted for” so the outcomes don’t need to follow any kind of in-universe logic or dramatic intent. If Spectrum goes on a string of losses, it’s because seeing her passed out on the floor is popular (can’t imagine why that would be), not because those outcomes necessarily made the most sense. That said, I thought her loss to Wonderstrike was executed very well.

Bottom line, though… all of this *is* whining (“whinging” for the Brits.) It’s a bit irritating to know that the outcome of each Champion match (and the heroines’ records in-universe) is the result of online voting and therefore a bit predictable, but it’s not like knowing that ruins the fights. I’ve even come to think in the back of my mind that the Championship Overlords keep their thumb on the scales, and their subtle influence on the fights happens to coincide with the will of the voters. That’s just the way I’ve chosen to understand the action and it’s not flagrantly contradicted by anything in the videos, so it works for me.

Darkwrath016
Darkwrath016

Lol: “After the lights go out on a *vanquished heroine*”. There’s something about that which makes it seem as though the villains were the ones defeating evil and not the other way around. Either way I like the sound of it. I look forward to more *vanquishing* of heroines.

DrMabuse
DrMabuse

Everyone is the hero of their own story…

F L
F L

@Tim Caine thanks for the comment and the rest too, it sparkled some interesting discussion. Of Course i have edited many NGC videos with the alternate endings :D!!
i was just saying it was a shame for me personally because i want to see Erica go up in the championship standings, but of course people will vote to see the heroine loose, that´s the point of this genre, i expected as much when i voted for Erica to win. After seeing the fight i liked how Erica used her clones, it was creative writting by NGC.
And the costume is personal taste, don´t mind me, i´m quite pleased with NGC costume department, and of course it´s impossible to please everyone, i was just very fond of that bodysuit (and Suki´s new one), but i love Athena´s (personal favorite) and Virtue costumes too!

Tim Caine
Tim Caine

It’s been a while since I’ve chimed in on a NGC post. I’ve been critical of them in the past because I hate the “Shaky Camera” thing. Having said that, I really think this is one of the better NGC championship episodes they’ve done. Erica is so hot. She’s gorgeous in defeat. I love the way NGC incorporates the extra defeats of her clone. It was clever and added to the beat down.

I thought both ladies worked well together. I think NGC is getting really good at tossing their heroines around. I loved all the body slams Erica took in this. They’ve done some of that before, but for some reason the editing really seemed tight in this episode. Kudos.

Even the extra ending was clever and entertaining. If I have to see a heroine win, I’m glad they made it interesting. Again, well done.

Overall, this ranks up their with the best NGCC episodes. My favorites are both of Erica vs The Dominator episodes and Angel’s defeat from the KO queen. This episode is right their with those. I will buy anything these folks do with Erica or Angel, but I particularly enjoyed this one.

Thank you, NGC for rising up and producing a really great episode again. I’d love to see another lopsided defeat of Angel where she gets tossed around like Erica does here (preferably in her white outfit). Maybe the Sister fate could pound her, or The dominator, or Miss Suppression. I’d also love to see a 3rd chapter where Erica’s torture from the Dominator is on display one final time. Perhaps the non-cannon ending of that could include the Dominator finally putting an end to Erica… just a thought.

Anyway, again great episode. I’ll give it 10 out of 10 … even if I still don’t love the shaky camera, this is definitely a must buy.

Darkwrath016
Darkwrath016

So this is a pretty good episode/championship match and quite arguable the best Erica episode I’ve seen. I’ll also place it in the top quintile of championship matches I’ve seen and I own them all. There’s a lot to like in here as it’s action packed with Erica suffering quite a beating to be honest. Not the likes of say Deceptress destroyed though I think this championship match is better than the Destryoed episode anyway. Despite the massive beating though Erica actually holds her own initially against Sister Fate and does kinda sorta mount a comeback but it all goes horrible wrong for her eventually, particularly when the real Erica was discovered in the fight. Some of the things I liked would have to be when Erica was rolled into the ring from the outside, the repeated head slams into the corner of the ring, the semi-bear hug from behind (semi because she’s not lifted off the ground) and then two submission holds that Erica suffered that she tapped out of even though submissions were not allowed. Also enjoyed the moment where Sister Fate finds the real Erica and drags her out from outside the ring and into the ring by her hair (wish that went on a bit longer). There are also multiple KOs and a few ragdoll moments in the end that were stuff I generally enjoy though I did find the final rag doll moment where Erica is picked up kind of lacking a bit. It just wasn’t sold well in a video where virtually everything else was sold almost to perfection.

Speaking of selling Erica sold the peril really well. Her facial expressions were really on point. Her vocal expressions though? I like that they weren’t as expressive as previous videos she’s been in because some of them tended to be over the top a bit. However in this film, the vocal expressions tended to be the same pitch for more or less every type of move which takes a way from the selling of peril a bit. That being said, that is a very minor critisims I feel in a video that was really REALLY good and one that I highly recommend to anyone who might be sitting on the fence. Erica is great. She looks great. She acts great. She sells peril good (despite my previous criticism) and she’s an actress/heroine that I enjoy seeing on screen and hope to see more of her on screen.

OldBear
OldBear

It’s funny, Darkwrath, the sounds she makes are actually one of the main reasons I liked this one, lol. But like I said below, I am only really anal about the choke type moves and I thought both women sold those well with their vocals.

I am not as critical of other type of moves so you may be right that the vocal reactions for those may be repetitive.

Darkwrath016
Darkwrath016

So this is a topic of conversation OldBear that I’ve been chopping at the bit to talk about for a while and that is ‘selling of being choked’. It’s something that I’ve found lacking across the board in the genre and tends to be in my opinion (can’t stress that enough) the weakest part of most actresses ability. What I tend to hear a lot when a heroine is being choked is a lot of excessive and distinct sounds, a lot of it some variation of a gargling type sounds. The thing is though, when you’re being choked your larynx is being crushed so naturally you should be struggling to make sounds in the first place. I just find all the loud sounds being made while being choked to be sometimes distracting and other times kind of comical. The second thing that’s lacking is facial expressions or rather the use of the wrong type of facial expression. So rear chokeholds from behind and chokeholds against a person lying down I feel are all moves that shouldn’t have a heroine’s eyes popping open trying to see all the colors in the room and acting all surprised. Or at least it shouldn’t stay like that throughout the entire move. Could be a more gradual closing of the eyes sort of thing as the heroine begins to lose consciousness. The third thing I find lacking is the lack of “involuntary movement” on the part of the person being choked, especially when it comes to rear chokeholds and chokeholds against a person lying down. The heroine’s body is largely static during the affair. Very little grasping of the forearms and stuff. Very little movement of legs kicking up and down as she struggles for breath.

Most of the time when a chokehold is being performed I generally just skip over it. There’s only been two chokeholds that I’ve actually found great. The first one is SE4 eps 3 which involves Erica slowly losing consciousness. The second one–and my favorite–is KandyCrisis13 in which Diva does just about everything I listed up above that makes a good chokehold work.

OldBear
OldBear

Yeah, unfortunately, we are definitely looking for different things when it comes to selling chokes. Not really a surprise since I know I have very specific tastes when it comes to this stuff and many won’t agree.

I am not an expert on what a person sounds like when actually being choked. However, I think the “gargling” sounds that you mentioned are being made exactly because the larynx is being crushed. But whether it’s realistic or not isn’t important, I just like those types of sounds and if the actress simply gasps or coughs or stays silent, I might actually avoid all future videos with that actress in it. That’s literally how anal I am about this stuff, lol.

By the way, I am not saying that you are wrong and chokes must be sold the way that I like. It’s simply a matter of taste. It’s impossible to please us all. At least we both liked the vid, regardless, though.

saxman314
saxman314

When you’re being choked out, unless you’re trained, you struggle for the first 4-5 seconds, panic for the last 2-3 seconds, and then you’re out. Pretty much no heroine peril vid has ever sold a choke well, and one of the most common ideas I see is to “nearly” choke her out and then leave her gasping and helpless (after the first second, she’ll have so much adrenaline, she’d be up and raising hell), then transitioning to chloroform which is always administered via a rag beforehand (somehow without evaporating), then takes longer than a choke to knock her out.

This entire niche of the heroine kink has always seemed silly to me, but if I had a choking fetish, I’d want it to be drawn out, too. A more accurate way to do it would be edging her with a blood choke and letting her hang on the cusp until her adrenaline dissipates and she basically gives in. Would be totally hot, too, but unless you get one of the girls from Ultimate Surrender, good luck finding a model with lots of experience choking and being choked!

OldBear
OldBear

**SPOILERS**

Really enjoyed this one. Personally, this was probably my favorite performance from Erica since her debut video, actually. I really enjoyed her debut back in Season 2, as it really utilized her cloning ability.

For this video, she also utilizes her clones, but Sister Fate pretty much dominates her regardless. It basically becomes a squash match mid way through. I am completely ok with that, lol.

As a big KO fan, I appreciate when an actress knows how to play limp after a KO. The Erica actress, Ashleigh, is very good at this. She gets laid out multiple times in this video and does a great job of playing a ragdoll. Also, just a side note, I thought Sister Fate sold her lose ending KO well in her own right.

Moving on, one of my pet peeves is in regards to how an actress sells choke type moves. They happen to be my favorite, so I am kind of anal when it comes to how they are sold, lol. It’s why I always bitch when an actress doesn’t make any sort of sound during said moves. Well, Erica gets to sell two types of chokes in this one, one handed choke and foot on throat, and does a great job of actually sounding like she is choking during these moves. Sister Fate also does a nice job during hers when Erica grabs her in a one handed choke.

It’s a small detail and probably insignificant to most people, but since I always bitch about it when it turns out wrong, I figured I would heap praise since it was done well here.

Anyway, I also wanted to say that the dialogue was pretty good, too. The announcer, as always, did a great job. He has a knack for being a funny, arrogant asshole. That is a complement, by the way, lol.

Erica and Sister Fate did great, as well. Sister Fate calling Erica a coward was a nice touch and that part where she said “No submissions, bitch!” as Erica frantically tried to tap out was amazing.

Only thing I would have liked to see from Erica in regards to her selling is maybe a little eye rolling during the parts where she is getting KO’d or is practically out on her feet, like the ending where she gets walked out by Sister Fate. Just a nice little touch that I know she has in her repertoire since I have seen it before in past videos.

But regardless, cool little video here. Well done by all the performers. Take care.

LordSnot
LordSnot

Loved this one. Erica is just gorgeous and sells peril well. I do hope we get to see where she is taken to in next vid for her insolence. Sounds unpleasant.

Chris
Chris

Always nice to see the lovely Erica being beaten, squeezed, stretched, choked & slammed….
She’s gorgeous & sells it well.

C13
C13

As much as I loved seeing the Deceptress under Myana’s mind control (and would pay for more and more!), I’m excited to see her putting up a proper fight again. This will be awesome.

Not to mention those Miss Freedom shots, too. Jesus.

LordSnot
LordSnot

Deceptress peril is always welcomed. So getting this one.

Darkwrath016
Darkwrath016

Big fan of The Deceptress so needless to say I’m really looking forward to this one. Previews so far seem to be ticking all the right boxes for me so definitely a Friday morning purchase.

Jaghtastic
Jaghtastic

I miss the debootings. #sorrynotsorry

Rover
Rover

(@ no one in particular)
Look, I get that almost everything is a fetish, but why is debooting so prominent on this site?? That’s one that I just don’t get. 😉

Darkwrath016
Darkwrath016

I think there are two general reason why this is the case
1) People have a foot fetish (in addition to the SHIP fetish).
2) It falls under costume destruction

The first one is easy to explain. People just like seeing a woman’s feet. I don’t think I have a foot fetish when it comes to SHIP films but then Punch Drunk featured a debooted Erica and I found that highly erotic for some reason. Still, I probably wouldn’t consider myself having a foot fetish.

The second one is a bit more complicated only because I think it can be broken down many different ways. There are some people who like seeing a costume physically ripped to shreds while the heroine is beaten. It adds on to the whole humiliation scene where the heroine is so overwhelmed that her costume is torn apart in the process. I get that but for me I don’t think that does anything for me really. Recently I took to re-watching Scorpia from TBFE which features a pretty prominent costume destruction and that scene didn’t do much for me. Now, there’s a second way of doing costume destruction and that is the forceful removal of articles of clothing such as capes and shoes. The idea is that the heroine is so helpless that her costume is being taken off in the middle of a fight and that’s suppose to be humiliating. And now that can be further broken down to the people who really enjoy those few seconds where the actual act of debooting itself is what gets them off. Or, if you’re like me, the act of debooting has changed the state of the heroine’s costume in a way which she didn’t intend which adds its own level of humiliation to it. That forceful change in costume enhances the peril, humiliates the heroine and contributes further to her downfall and defeat. It can really do wonders when a heroine is defeated and her costume is no longer whole.

I think a lot of people though probably just have a foot fetish and in the case of NGC videos, have a foot fetish that is covered in pantyhose but I’d like to think there are a couple people like myself who fall into the second category. I generally don’t ask for it as I think stuff like that kinda has to make sense and it’s really hit and miss. I liked it in ‘Punch Drunk’, ‘Deceptress Destroyed’ and ‘Nowhere Safe’ but actually found it weird in The Trial for some reason.

Rizo
Rizo

Hi Darkwraith, foot aficionado here!

Just to bring a few points in to the mix: I do love feet but it depends on which way there are presented. In regular life i find them to be erotic but only as long as they are not literally front and center.

For the SHIP genre I believe what comes to account is seeing a heroine in her civvies surprised at home by a villain or assailant. The contrast between a fully armored fully suited villain against the heroine in her civvies and barefoot is what I find exciting. I don’t really enjoy debooting just for the sake of it. It has to be justified. For example, there are some GIGA videos where the heroine is literally beat out of her costume and some of it is torn. Sometimes the heroine is blasted through a wall and a boot or shoe flies off. I find that very sexy. There was one where she was in full costume and suspended and whipped but she had one boot off.

For me I think it really depends on the context. One thing I do not like is when the villain has to inexplicably remove a heroine’s boot just to fulfill the viewer needs.

Anyway that’s my two cents!

OldBear
OldBear

The unfortunate thing is that one of the main reasons I gravitate towards the Superheroine genre are their costumes, specifically their boots. Boots and KOs are my thing and so when I see a debooting, it kind of upsets me. It seems like 90% or more of KO vids feature actresses with bare feet. Pretty sure that is because foot fetish is the most popular fetish in the world so most people buying customs at ‘catfighting’ sites also have a foot fetish.

So Superheroine vids are like my refuge from seeing bare feet in every video, lol.

That being said, my tastes shouldn’t take precedence over anyone else and if that is where the money is at then so be it. If a debooting is there, I just need be made aware so I don’t go buying something that is of no value to me. Take care.

Sugarcoater
Sugarcoater

I feel the same in regard to the boots and sentiments. And well said.

F L
F L

@Rizo I agree i might find a debooting sexy because you take “protection” away from the heroine making her look more vulnerable against the imposing villain (i believe we rarely have villains stomping over the barefoot heroine feet to make her suffer or opening her defenses for a follow up move)
I think it also looks better when the heroine legs are exposed (leotards) in contrast to catsuits, that’s why i wasn’t a fan of the first debooting of Erica in her old costume against the Dominator. Overall i’m not really a foot fetish guy, i think is difficult for creators to balance that for both fans and non fans

mip
mip

which Deceptress episodes feature debooting? I don’t remember

Darkwrath016
Darkwrath016

Deceptress Destroyed (NGC championship match) and Punch Drunk from season 4.