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Mainstream Matters II

So we did this once before, and it turned out well, except for the part where I wrote the following sentence. “I’ve very much liked what I’ve seen thus far of the most recent attempt at making a watchable Fantastic Four film.” Sigh. The lesson here: I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about. Anyway, a lot has happened and there’s a lot coming, so let’s get to it.

 

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

After the latest trailer, I am surprisingly on board.  I thought “Man of Steel” was a pox on humanity and I had no hope for this film.  Okay, that was overboard, but my expectations were not very high.  I’ve never taken a position on the Gal Gadot casting previously, but I think she looks beautiful and great for the role in the limited clips we’ve seen.  I think every trailer has gotten better and it just all works for me now.  I wasn’t thinking this six months ago.  I’ve actually surprised myself with the turn I’ve taken.  But again, this is coming from the guy that thought the Fantastic Four trailers showed promise.

Here’s a question that someone who follows these things closely may be able to answer for me.  I actually have always liked the Affleck casting, but why make Batman/Bruce Wayne older?  If they are going to make Justice League films, wouldn’t it have made more sense to have Batman be more in his physical prime?  I don’t have a problem with an older Batman I just wasn’t sure why they made that choice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yViIi3gie2c

 

Captain America: Civil War

I loved everything about Phase 1 of the MCU. Phase 2 was a different story. I thought Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy were terrific. I thought Thor: The Dark World was the worst MCU movie ever. I thought Ant-Man was fun and I thought Avengers: Age of Ultron was… Well, the Honest Trailer for it echos my thoughts perfectly.

I think the demands of Marvel/Disney really did break Joss Whedon.  In my opinion, Marvel needs to right the ship a little bit.  I know the box office results were good, but the momentum they once had seems to have died down a bit.  I love this trailer, and I think the film will deliver. No sign of Spider-Man yet, a character I do love, so I’m looking forward to that.  Can we just get to freaking Thanos already?

 

Jessica Jones

I know we already have a lot of feedback on this, but I can’t binge watch a series so it took me longer to get through this than others. I thought it was terrific. I did think they could have done in ten episodes what took them thirteen, but that’s nit picking. I thought it was a perfect casting job all around. With all due respect to everyone else in the series, I thought Mike Colter, an actor I never heard of, playing Luke Cage, a character I knew nothing about, was brilliant. The best part of the entire series. I suddenly can’t wait to see what the standalone “Luke Cage” series has in store.

Supergirl

I have some conflicting thoughts on “Supergirl“. I don’t think it’s a great show. I’m not even so sure it’s a good show. But I find the actress who plays Supergirl so incredibly likable that I have watched every episode and plan to continue doing so.

 

Star Wars: The Force Awakens

I’m excited. HM is excited. The world seems rather excited. I’ll say this. J.J. Abrams can make a movie. I’m not saying everything he’s done has been great, but all of his movies have at least looked good.  This needs to work.  I need good Star Wars films movies in my life again.

 

Deadpool

I don’t know a damn thing about Deadpool, but it looks rather entertaining. They’re just going to keep casting Ryan Reynolds in these things until one works it seems.

 

Suicide Squad

I don’t know a damn thing about Suicide Squad either, but I may be looking more forward to this than anything else. I think it looks brilliant.  I’ve always been a sucker for the Joker, and I think Jared Leto is going to nail it.

 

I’m know there are plenty of things I didn’t cover.  X-Men: Apocalypse, Wonder Woman began shooting, Iron Fist, Season 2 of “Daredevil,” “Agent Carter,” “Agents of Shield” and so on.  What looks good to you?  What looks, you know, not so great?

159 Responses

  1. Big Zee says:

    @Judah
    @HWNN
    The ending scene was a complete shock. I have no idea what this could mean for season 2. This was not your typical cliff hanger. Were the producers not expecting the series to get renewed? Overall this was great stuff, the twists and turns and intrigue were phenomenal.While not in anyway similar, somehow this reminded me of the famous shower scene in Dallas. How long will we have to wait for season 2?

  2. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Judah: agree with you about Blade Runner. Interestingly the movie is also based on a book by PKD, I think you mentioned this. Found the book boring. Ridley Scott and his team turned it into something completely different, a good thing!

    When you do find the time, check out Manhattan. The first season plays like the Man in the High Castle, they need a couple of episodes to find their footing, but it get progessively better. Season 2 is really good from the get-go and the last two episodes are fantastic. It is an interesting story about how good men get corrupted for various reasons. I always like that, that is what makes strong drama! What I also like is that with Manhattan their is no decision yet if there will be another season, so they basically finished the show with season 2. They bring the various storylines to a very satisfying conclusion and then some. It is fascinating to see how, over the course of the show, some of the leads do bad things for “good reasons”. The speech of the young lead early in the last episode will give you chills.

  3. Judah says:

    @Big Zee

    Sounds like you experienced life in 1962. That was all before my time. The Man in the High Castle is an alternate vision of life after WWII had the Axis Powers prevailed. Yes this is the stuff of nightmares. It is hard to imagine what life would have been like and the entire course of history changed had Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan won WWII. I am glad you think the show could be too believable. Famed Director Ridley Scott serves as an executive producer. Ridley Scott is one (if not the best) film directors making movies. From Gladiator and Kingdom of Heaven to Black Hawk Down and Blade Runner, Ridley Scott has made all of his films believable and realistic. His future vision of Bade Runner still holds up to this day. The movies looks as though it could be filmed in the present. I truly believe to this day that Blade Runner is one of the top 3 greatest sci fi movies of all time. I stuck with the show and like Horse stated the show got better after the 5th episode and culminated in the best finale of 2015. Looking forward to season 2.

  4. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Big Zee: glad you are enjoying the show. Well, if you did enjoy the first five episodes, they are weak compared the next five episodes with the finale ranking the highest (in which they masterfully pull all the various storylines into a very strong finish with an amazing cliffhanger).

  5. Big Zee says:

    @Judah
    @HWNN
    Re Man in the High Castle, I have seen the first five episodes and called it quits for the night. I never seen anything like this. The scenario is quite believable, actually too believable. Life in 1962 was rather depressing. The level of intrigue was fascinating. The interesting characters are the Marshal in the Neutral Zone and the Japanese minister of Transport as well the Fuhrer of the Eastern American States. This is the stuff for nightmares. Thanks guys for the advice.

  6. Judah says:

    @Horse & Big Zee

    Yeah I definitely recommend the man in the High Castle. It takes awhile but like Horse said around episode 6 it kicks into overdrive. The ending was awesome. It’s great news that there going to do a second season. One of the better shows of 2015. I haven’t checked out Manhattan yet but when I get a chance I will. Starting to watch Into the Badlands.

  7. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Big Zee: ah, the way it was done before Prime 🙂 Glad you managed. The finale is outstanding. Edge of your seat stuff.

  8. Big Zee says:

    @HWNN
    Actually my son got me all ten of the episodes. I did not ask how he got them, but I can use my imagination.Now I have something to keep me busy during our snowstorm tomorrow.

  9. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Big Zee: still amazed that you guys do not have Amazon Prime. But glad you had a chance to check out the pilot. Hope you can catch the whole season. Judah will agree that it gets much better at around episode 5. The season finale is in my top three for this year. If you are into WW2 themes, do check out a show called “Manhattan”. Also a show that is getting stronger after a while. The last two episodes of season 2 are amazing and very creppy at the same time. Once you get over the fact that the show is mostly not about the “real” scientists who worked on the atomic bomb, but “stand-ins”, you are good to go. Well, they have Robert Oppenheimer, who (one the show) is one creppy dude.

  10. Big Zee says:

    @Judah
    @HWNN
    just saw the first (pilot?) episode of ‘The Man in the High Castle’. This is high drama in a dark world. The scenes and the recreation of 1962 were awesome. Quite the surprise ending although perhaps I should not have been once I think back to what happened in the beginning of the episode. Pretty clever stuff. I don’t yet get the significance of the film with alternate (real) version of WW2. Although I live in Canada and don’t receive the Amazon streaming , where there is a will, there is a way.

  11. HorseWithNoName says:

    Just for those keeping track: the box office people revised the numbers. The Force Awakens now not only has the biggest weekend opening in North America, it also beats Jurassic World for the biggest opening world wide. Early estimates had it lower on that one (albeit it is worth while to point out that other than with JW, SW’s international take does not include China where it opens on Jan. 9).

    Does not say anything about how good the movie is, I know, this is for everyone to decide on their own, but interesting how strong this mix of nostalgia and fresh, diverse faces carries globally.

  12. HorseWithNoName says:

    Kylo and Rey were hands down the best part of the movie.

    The family relationship in the last scene: either the obvious or something else entirely. I am hoping for the former.

    Is it not funny how much marketing played up Rey’s staff? There are still people who feel it is going to be important. I think the staff – especially in the marketing – was a distraction from what her weapon would be later on.

  13. Maar13 says:

    @Raygootz: Completely agree with you Sir.

    @Saxman314: I really think so but maybe I miss read it.

  14. saxman314 says:

    Anyone else wondering if there’s a familial relationship between the two characters in that last scene?

  15. raygootz says:

    Loved Star Wars but LOVED Rey. She is gonna be huge. probably my favorite new heroine in decades. Anyone else wish NGC got to her before she did this film though?

  16. HorseWithNoName says:

    Hey Judah

    Yeah, heard about the 2nd season for Man in the High Castle. Fantastic!

    Glad you enjoyed Star Wars. The ending rocked! Really interesting to see where they go from there. The last scene was one big tease 🙂

  17. Judah says:

    Hey Horse

    Good news bro. Just announced 2nd season for Man in the High Castle. Star Wars rocked. I’m seeing tonight in regular theaters. What an Ending my chin was down to my knees.

  18. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Judah: saw the regular version. Sure IMAX will be better.

    Enjoy the movie. I am fairly certain you will 🙂

  19. Judah says:

    Hey Horse. Im currently in line waiting for the doors to open. Did you see it in IMAX or regular. I got tickets for the IMAX tonight and regular theater tomorrow night. Hope its good.

  20. Big Zee says:

    @Swampy170
    At my advancing age I might be too much of a capitalist and not much of a risk taker. The opposite was true years ago. Regrettably I have a cynical nature and so I suspect that many of the art film makers are in it for the fame. Fame brings fortune.

  21. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Big Zee: I was around when the first Star Wars movies hit theaters. And I remember how cool it was that the second one ended in a cliffhanger.

    Best of luck with the tickets, man.

  22. Swampy170 says:

    *cynic, even

  23. Swampy170 says:

    This is filmmaking – there’s plenty of people who make films for nothing, or at a loss. Those who make films for the art (or a synic migh propose, the fame) as opposed to the business case.

    This thread relates to the mainstream, not purely fetish vids – as I say, fetish vids skew those producing films even more towards the business end.

  24. Big Zee says:

    @swampy170
    They can be both , but first and foremost they have to make money. There have been many posts indicating the pricing was too high. Some of the producers alluded to fact that this was a niche market with not enough customers to make decent money as the justification for their pricing strategies. I think that other than salaries, most of the other costs are fixed. If I am correct in this assumption, then volume of films produced becomes an important consideration. Art only takes you so far before you starve have no roof over your head.

  25. Big Zee says:

    @HWNN
    All of the theatres showing the IMAX version are sold out for the next couple of days. One theatre started showing all the previous episodes which started at 4:00 AM this morning. Obviously I am quite keen on strong female roles and nostalgia. I am not sure how many of you were around when the first episode was released. The reception phenomenal.

  26. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Maar13: if nostalgia and strong female roles are what you are looking for in the new Star Wars, you will not be disappointed. There is plenty of nostalgia (a bit much at times) and a very strong female role, with a surprisingly strong actress. In that respect, for me personally, it was less the nostalgia that was satisfying, but what happens near the end and at the end of the movie. At lot the reviews that I have read now, mostly positive as they may be, say that this movie is not very “original”, nor does it take the series into a new direction. True and not true. Star Wars has always been about “the hero’s journey” and family. This is its core. Same here, but a little different. The new dynamic they are setting up, which becomes very strong in the last 15 minutes or so of the new movie, is brilliant and makes me very excited for the next movie.

    @ Big Zee: wish you guys had already seen the movie 🙂 Damn, wish I could tell you about the scene that made me almost cheer. Let’s say the marketing is pretty much part of the movie and J.J. Abrams did one of his mystery boxes that worked this time around.

    And: “Art vs Business”, really? Swampy170 is 100 percent correct. You need both.

  27. swampy170 says:

    *lamentable

    I should also add an addendum – in fetish films this is heavilly skewed towards business.

    1 – Generally margins aren’t that large
    2 – People looking to get their rocks off aren’t generally looking for art house

    Having said that, some SHiP fans do have standards.

  28. swampy170 says:

    But why let the thread end?! I’ve not been this entertained in a long while!! X-)

    @Seer – Art vs Business – an interesting and important topic. The simple answer is the people who make the best films and are a commercial success do both. Business and Art in film are not AT ALL mutually exclusive.

    Of course, there does need to be balance – making films commercially is not the same as making films at filmschool. Money needs to be made. However go too far the other way and you end up with lamerntable formulaic films, films should not please everyone. Films should have a specific flavour, some will love it some will hate it.

    A mass-market approach is a good way to make alot of money fast, but ultimately the well dries up. People get bored.

  29. saxman314 says:

    Hey, guys. You know how there’s this stereotype of angry 30-year-old virgin nerd perverts on the internet arguing over stupid shit from their mom’s basement? Thanks for perpetuating it!

  30. Maar13 says:

    Well going back to the topic, I am excited about Star Wars, call it nostalgia if you will, but I want to see how they do, especially with the new heroine Rey there and Captain Phasma, you have two strong female roles right there that can last pretty much the entire new trilogy.

    I like Jessica Jones, why? because although she is damaged she tries to do her best, even if sometimes it doesn’t seem like she gives a crap but she does.

    What I wouldn’t like of Wonder Woman is if they make the character too perfect, I mean I don’t need the Wonder woman that was always in peril but you need, in my view someone who you can relate to, even if it is just for the little girls, but as a strong woman on a mission and no the version the guy from Ally McBeal (yes I know the show … moving on) tried to present.

    Supergirl is a nice character in a learning process and I think she is coming along nicely.

    The girls from the Avengers are doing pretty cool, as long as they don’t go “let’s make them their own movie” there I think they will be fine, the strongest characters have had movies on their own so there is no real need to try to milk the franchise even further, Agents of Shield is nice too.

    And a few that are not mentioned are the ones in the Arrow series and the upcoming Legends of Tomorrow, I think those are pretty cool, the Canary sisters have come along quite nicely along with Speedy and it seems like they will get even more action on their side.

    I think that these are good times for Heroines in Mainstream as a whole and really hope it continues to be for a long time.

  31. Big Zee says:

    @HWNN
    How can we discuss Stars if we haven’t seen it yet, lol?

  32. Big Zee says:

    @Seer
    Thanks, this is good news, seriously. If Logan keeps his word, this thread could actually end. You had to have the last word, no problem.
    Now to move on, there should be discussion on how Supergirl could be fixed. It is lame, again this is my OPINION

  33. Seer says:

    @Logan post – Dec. 16, 2015 at 6:16 pm
    Take a deep breath. Let the alcohol wear off. Don’t go off the deep end.

    “How do you think certain people got in the video?”

    Not cause of you. Obviously. You can’t prove me wrong, so not asking. Case closed. Or keep lying. It’s amusing.

    “And the two links? You have a very interesting deconstruction analysis on that.”

    What’s to deconstruct? They just look like college film school type beginning editing class projects. No professional editor would leave that kind of meh work up on vimeo. They’d have professional looking work up, if they’d done any. Amateur editors would leave it up, wedding editors looking for work, editors for school projects, etc.

    “That Orange Mini Cooper — Is my personal vehicle.”

    Is that why they’re humping it? Did you teach them your dance moves?

    “we’re just nobodies running around not doing anything with our lives and using copyrighted music illegally all over the place!!!”

    Well, that’s somewhat true. Thanks for ‘fessing up. Wouldn’t say ‘not doing anything,’ you’ve done lots of amateur hour SH web videos. You found your niche. Nothing wrong with that.

    “No one here has anything to prove to you”

    No one here lies like you, no proof needed.

    “– least of all me”

    No one more least than you. 🙂

    —-

    Every so often, Logan Crass teaches a class in Public Relations at a high school near him and they learn from him by example. [joke]

    Read Logan Dec. 16, 2015 at 6:16 pm and Logan Dec. 16, 2015 at 6:16 pm, and try to imagine professional producers or directors like J.J. Abrams, Michael Douglas, James L. Brooks displaying the same unprofessional public relation skills even once in a public comments section, let alone numerous times.

    Hard to imagine.

    Big Zee says “Before I get attacked verbally, the attackers should review their posts. Seriously guys, come on.”

    Reviewing posts…stand by…

    First off the rails post started with Logan marketing gimmickry post – Dec. 13, 2015 at 11:55 pm.

    On a blog by Sidekick titled Mainstream Matters II, with a listing of upcoming mainstream superhero movies from major studios, complete with trailers, and inviting comment with “What looks good to you? What looks, you know, not so great?” Logan has to chime in with a little relevant comment and then right into good ole Logan marketing hype gimmickry for air movie Nightshadow and close with self-aggrandizing “very exciting to be in the mix of it.” And of course he’s not remotely in the mix of those upcoming movies.

    Any of the movies in Sidekick’s article compares to Nightshadow as the world we live on compares to unseen speck of air.

    I’ll make a deal. If Logan stops posting in this comments section, I will too. And didn’t he just write “I won’t comment on this thread anymore.”

    I did want to do a bit on the topic Film: Art vs Business, But I don’t have to. I can lurk in this comments section, post in others!

    With one caveat: If Big Zee or other says something about me I need to respond to, I probably will.

  34. Bert says:

    Ya, what a jerk HM is for running his forum the way he chooses. Look, if Logan is going to post his self-aggrandizing crap here, then people calling him on his b.s. is totally fair game. No one is forcing you to read the thread. Your lack of interest does not mean the topic isn’t worthwhile.

  35. LordSnot says:

    Sugarcoater is right. This crap is popping up way too often here now. Sadly HM seems to not have any interest in moderating all the attacks and seem to ignore the “No personal insults” rule they attach to every post we make.

  36. Big Zee says:

    @Bert
    Thanks for keeping our dialogue going. Your ability to write my post in full is much appreciated as it reminds everyone what I wrote.I hate see what you are in real life, so the feeling is mutual. My post was a work of art. Read my posts on Ninga Bitch Killer. That is the real me. Your mean spirited posts to Logan bring out the worst in me.

  37. Bert says:

    Big Zee – “@Sugarcoater
    Fat chance, too many alpha males who are looking for a ‘knockout’ blow or a ‘gotcha’ moment. I am staying clear of this except for a certain mean spirited and all round blank blank individual. One other person must be a lawyer and or politician and you know what they say about lawyers and politicians. For whatever reason the owner of this website is reluctant to shut this thread down. You Americans have the 14th Amendment. The best that can be said is everyone is really good at twisting things around. I have no favourites, they are all guilty. Too bad this is not the biggest issue in the world. Can you believe what this all about.
    We should be discussing why Supergirl is currently a lame show.”

    I believe this is the most annoying post I have ever read on any forum, anywhere. Big Zee, if you are anything like this in real life, you must get punched in the face quite often.

  38. Big Zee says:

    @HWNN
    Well, at long last some sanity in this ridiculous thread. Excluding yourself, everyone should be ashamed of themselves. Before I get attacked verbally, the attackers should review their posts. Seriously guys, come on.

  39. HorseWithNoName says:

    We could also be discussing the new Star Wars movie. Just back from seeing it.

    No spoilers, but two things at the top of my head:

    1. do not expect an end credit scene or anything. In a certain way it is integrated into the end of the movie, and what an end it is.

    2. I stand corrected. Based on a certain scene from one of the trailers I really thought Daisy Ridley’s acting would be very poor. There is a very good reason why she acts “poorly” in that scene from the trailer. She – ok, I will say this as a male – is hands down the “best thing” in this new Star Wars movie. And to my surprise, her acting is spot on for the most part. I could go on…, but that would be a spoiler 🙂

    Have not made up my mind how I rate the movie overall. I expect the series will become better as it goes along. Some house cleaning was in order in this one. It very much feels like one of the original movies, done by J.J. Abrams.
    Go see it, duh!

  40. Logan says:

    @sugarcoater: Yes, absolutely. I won’t comment on this thread anymore. My apologies for being a part of this nonsense.

  41. Big Zee says:

    @Sugarcoater
    Fat chance, too many alpha males who are looking for a ‘knockout’ blow or a ‘gotcha’ moment. I am staying clear of this except for a certain mean spirited and all round blank blank individual. One other person must be a lawyer and or politician and you know what they say about lawyers and politicians. For whatever reason the owner of this website is reluctant to shut this thread down. You Americans have the 14th Amendment. The best that can be said is everyone is really good at twisting things around. I have no favourites, they are all guilty. Too bad this is not the biggest issue in the world. Can you believe what this all about.
    We should be discussing why Supergirl is currently a lame show.

  42. Sugarcoater says:

    Any chance the ad hominem arguments and off-topic posts come to an end sometime soon? I’m bored coming to this site to find all recent comments about one producer and semantics issues. Just swap email addresses and have private email thread. But for anyone outside the 3 or 4 people having a personal argument, I don’t see whom this is serving.

  43. Logan says:

    @Seer: lmao dude wow. You think you’re so intelligent but you’re so way off-base. How do you think certain people got in the video? The only one who corresponds to my heroine project was Shannon so she was mentioned. And the two links? You have a very interesting deconstruction analysis on that. That Orange Mini Cooper — Is my personal vehicle. Oh no, I might take it down!!! They shot a fun little snippet when they were heading back to the house we stayed in to pick up a few camera pieces we left on the coffee table there — and that Boogie Nights video? Uh-oh!! You may have stumbled on a video created to be a teaser for a silly comedy feature we originally planned for Jan 2016 — but got pushed until after Nightshadow since NS became a much larger project than originally intended… Or maybe you’re right, guy. Maybe it’s one big illegitimate conspiracy and we’re just nobodies running around not doing anything with our lives and using copyrighted music illegally all over the place!!! I think you and Bert are on to something here! No one here has anything to prove to you– least of all me. Keep on coming up with your fan theories– I do enjoy reading them. 😉

  44. Bert says:

    I like your post Seer. It’s great that someone has taken a bit of a clinical approach to deconstructing Logan’s fabrications and exaggerations. Kudos.

  45. Big Zee says:

    @Bert
    Logan is pretty great in these films. Of course you would not know this as you have never purchased any of them. The best you can do is make snide and irrelevant remarks.

  46. Big Zee says:

    @Bert
    Score one for you, never heard of the expression before. I thought that you had stopped communicating with me. Welcome back.

  47. Bert says:

    @Big Zee – I can’t believe you are so thick you failed to understand that when I said “starring his own junk” I was referring to his dick. And as for you begging (again) HM to shut down a thread, I don’t blame you. Your hero is getting pummeled in here.

  48. Big Zee says:

    @Seer
    Congratulations, the trophy is yours. It will be back from the engraver shortly. If you keep this up, you will qualify for the lifetime achievement award.

  49. Seer says:

    Bert, excellent!

    Yep the man’s an industry powerhouse if he do say so himself, cause nobody else does!

    Now on to Logan’s team’s impact on Taylor Swift’s Bad Blood Music Video

    Impact = way, way, way, way, way, way low. Virtually none.

    So within Logan’s run-on paragraph rant, Dec. 15, 2015 at 7:12 pm, is this…

    One person can’t even let go of the fact that we, in some way, have our hands in a lot of music videos out there – you want one? Taylor Swift “Bad Blood” – you want details? Too bad… I bet you’ll search for my name – but you won’t find it. Am I lying? Go for it– say I am. Those are simple productions a part of our every day business.

    “One person!” Think he means me.

    LOL. I don’t need to search your name, I won’t find it cause you had nothing to do with it.

    First, let’s go back to this blog page so everyone can be brought up to date.

    “Nightshadow” Feature Film from Logan Cross – Oct. 20, 2015

    Here at HM site, HM posts this piece of news from Logan about future Nightshadow film, currently glimmer in daddy’s eye.

    Within the news piece is this tidbit.

    “This will be my 5th feature film (we have 3 in post-production right now and a 4th to shoot in the interim [January 2016]) and we will be aiming for full theatrical distribution through our contacts at Sony and Universal. For those of you who do not know this, my team is responsible for many of the US and Latin music videos that are released through those music labels.

    So this is interesting to me, and I ask about the USA music videos that his team is responsible for. Let me emphasize the term responsible for.

    While asking about these USA music videos, we agree that Extras aka background, don’t count.

    Seer
    Oct. 20, 2015 at 7:16 pm
    “What music videos have you done? I did a google search and couldn’t find anything with you as director, or editor, producer, or anything actually. Nothing on IMVDb either…”

    Logan
    Oct. 21, 2015 at 1:38 pm
    “@Seer: that’s quite a list to put together — some other mentioned that yes, it’s my team who handles it, not just me alone…

    Seer
    Oct. 21, 2015 at 7:18 pm
    “…Surely you can link to some of these many Sony and Universal music videos that you, or a member of my team, worked on. That would bring cred to the statement. I’m not saying I don’t believe it, but anyone can say anything. Plus I’m curious to see your music video work (unless it’s being an extra, a PA, driver and catering)…”

    Logan
    Oct. 21, 2015 at 8:26 pm
    “When it comes to being a part of a team, I surely wouldn’t include PA work in that– just as I wouldn’t mention background work — which I’ve done plenty of in the 6 years I’ve been in LA.”

    Let me repeat where Logan says “When it comes to being a part of the team…I wouldn’t mention background work.” Background work means being an Extra.

    from backstage.com: Backstage’s extra casting and jobs for background actors in movies, television, commercials.

    source = http://www.backstage.com/casting/open-casting-calls/extras-casting/

    So above, Logan and I agree that an Extra and PA workers, even if part of the team, are not part of “my team responsible for” USA music videos. Logan wrote “just as I wouldn’t mention background work.” (I also mentioned driver and catering, but he didn’t, so can’t say we agreed on that part.)

    Anyway, then all through the “Nightshadow” Feature Film from Logan Cross – Oct. 20, 2015 rest of comments section, while I kept asking, Logan refused to name even one USA music video that supports “my team responsible for” USA music videos, and got quite belligerent about it. I thought that was strange, why wouldn’t he want to name, link, even one. The USA music video pulling teeth subject pretty much ended with me saying I will try to find some myself.

    Jump now to yesterday.

    Praised be, he finally mentions one USA music video, and it’s a doozy: Taylor Swift “Bad Blood.” Seems impressive. It’s not.

    Logan’s ‘team’ connection with the Bad Blood video is this…

    Logan
    May. 26, 2015 at 11:02 am
    “If you look hard enough, you’ll spot one of my actresses in that video”

    TBob
    May. 26, 2015 at 11:23 am
    “…Was that Shannon Reynosa I saw? I think so.”

    Judah
    May. 26, 2015 at 12:35 pm
    “…Yeah I thought I spotted Shannon Reynosa also. There sure we’re alot of celebs. But it was too quickly cut gotta watch it a few times to notice all of them.”

    Logan
    May. 26, 2015 at 1:41 pm
    “Yep, that’s Shannon in that video – good eye, gentlemen”

    The above quote snippets come from…

    https://www.heroinemovies.com/taylor-swift-bad-blood/

    So bottomline:
    Shannon Reynosa is background aka an Extra in the Bad Blood USA video. Logan worked with her (see her IMDB page). Logan considers her part of his team, that’s fine. But she is not responsible for any USA music video, she’s an Extra. I watched the video and didn’t see her, but I’ll try again soon with glasses on.

    And neither is Logan responsible for any USA music video. (Latin music videos, yes.)

    As far as other Logan team members, who the fuck knows. Logan is keeping it secret.

    I still call BS on “For those of you who do not know this, my team is responsible for many of the US .., music videos that are released through those music labels.

    And also call BS on this from rant…

    One person can’t even let go of the fact that we, in some way, have our hands in a lot of music videos out there – you want one? Taylor Swift “Bad Blood” – you want details? Too bad… I bet you’ll search for my name – but you won’t find it. Am I lying? Go for it– say I am. Those are simple productions a part of our every day business.

    Everyone has the “details” now if they want them or not! 🙂

    Nope, no hands in lots of USA music videos out there (just one Extra, super brief, while not involved with you at all, on her own merits),

    Yes to Latin vids (lame and no name artists, should I post links), No Shakira, Jennifer Lopez, Pitbull, just Yenddi (who?) and Zacarias (that link is dead now?), I gave you props for the latin music videos though, did that in october.

    Are you lying? Yep. Bad Blood is a simple production a part of you every day business? Nope, complete fabrication. Oh, you meant lame latin vids again, yeah, OK to that.

    Now in my search, I did find 2 sort-of US music videos by the Eaton Brother editors, Jared and Wesley (2 editors on Logan’s team), but the songs are not used legally and they were sure not released through Sony or Universal music labels. Unless I’m wrong. If people want, check out these links to them a decide for yourself (before Logan gets them to take these vids down!)

    https://vimeo.com/140588014

    https://vimeo.com/127427955
    This 2nd link to boogie nights vid won’t play for me in HD, have to click the HD logo off, then one can play it in SD. Taylor Swift’s got nothing on these guys.

  50. Big Zee says:

    @Bert
    Complimentary as usual. Did you ever buy any of the videos in which you classified as junk. Did not think so. I used the word mean spirited to describe your comments; I would have preferred to use more graphic words. I need to respect HM’s guidelines.
    @HM
    At what point in this highly relevant debate does someone say; Let us agree to disagree, you have your point of view and I have mine. It seems that all of you behind these entertaining posts are hoping for the gotcha moment. I think that is an unrealistic expectation.

  51. Bert says:

    With respect HM, I don’t think you have grasped the one, single certainty of this forum: Logan is never wrong. You know he lives in the heart of Hollywood, right? He’s a very big part of the industry and he’d love to prove it but he’s not allowed to because of pesky lawyers and NDA’s. He (or was it we?) was unverifiably part of Taylor Swift’s Bad Blood video. In what capacity is a mystery – fight choreographer, director, friend of someone who had a small role – we don’t know, but damnit, he’s important, he matters and if he speaks on the movie business we should listen. He’s made theatrical feature films and has distribution deals with major studios and Netflix. The man’s an industry powerhouse, so if he says there’s no Oscar for producers, it’s probably best to accept his word on it. It’s a bit odd that such a mover and shaker in the industry was just months ago shooting videos starring his own junk, but no matter, the evidence of that has been scrubbed from the net now so it’s like it never happened.

  52. HM says:

    @Logan – Me again. I wasn’t able to respond yesterday, but I just wanted to add a couple of things.

    First, the bit of Hollywood history you’ve provided (from memory?) is simply a recap of the various ways that producers have won Oscars for the past 80 or so years (i.e., first as the heads of production houses, and later as individual producers). But this simply reaffirms the factual reality that individual producers now win Oscars. So I’m a bit baffled as to why any of this would be offered as a response since it invalidates your earlier statement that producers do not receive Oscars.

    Yes, the award is given in honor, and on behalf, of the film in its entirety — no one is disputing that. The disagreement is with your statement, “the last time I checked, there were no producers winning Oscars.” This statement is patently and obviously false, and that is my only point.

    You seem to verify as much when you say, “…processes in the industry changed to then give [the Oscar] directly to the Producers because it no longer made sense to give it to the ‘Production House.'”

    On that point we agree — Oscars are now given directly to producers. (This one statement alone should represent the end of the discussion.) However, you seem to imply that when a producer wins an Oscar for Best Picture, somehow the award doesn’t count, or that it’s only a half-Oscar, or that the award is shared equally among the entire production team. This is also completely false — only the producer wins, accepts, and takes home the award, and it is a real, legitimate Oscar. No one else — not the director, writer, actors, make-up artists, etc. — wins a Best Picture Oscar.

    I submit as evidence the following video footage of (to quote the description offered by the official Oscars YouTube channel), “Producers Grant Heslov, Ben Affleck and George Clooney winning the Oscar for Best Picture for ‘Argo’ at the 2013 Oscars”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtLKn5Y1ulc

    The footage seems to show three producers winning and receiving Oscars.

    Why does any of this matter? Well, it doesn’t, except that when I see a statement that is completely false, I feel somewhat obligated to point that out. No offense is intended towards you, Logan, nor to anyone else.

  53. HorseWithNoName says:

    Odd. Is it just me or did Logan’s most recent post get edited?

  54. Big Zee says:

    Regarding Logan’s comments about customs. My two releases contained my great ideas for stories. I thought that they were fantastic and perfect until Logan made them even better. Money well spent.

  55. Big Zee says:

    @Logan
    I would not be so confident about winning the trophy. I am expecting Seer to win and have already told the engraver to put his name on the plaque. I realize that it is not a fair competition as he likes to quote previous posts before making his points. This does wonders for the word count. Perhaps he should be penalized for not competing fairly. Lol.

  56. Logan says:

    @HWNN: agreed — and this was my Oscar-winning post… I just know it!! 🙂

  57. Seer says:

    Another quick test

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  58. Seer says:

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  59. Big Zee says:

    @HWNN
    No so fast, we haven’t heard from Mr. Seer yet. Sorry about Bert.

  60. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Logan, Thank you, sir. As often stated, by myself and others, you have made some great movies and your contribution to this genre is well noted.

    Again, best of luck with your many endeavours. May the force be with you (I am going to see “The Force Awakens” at an early screening later today).

    And before the blades come out for the 205th post in this thread: yes, Logan talks a big talk. At the end, none of that matters nor any BS about business ethics, ladida, etc. Let’s see when and what he delivers. If he does, great. If not, really, who cares? If there is money to be made, there are five others in line to take somebody else’s place. Since I take it none of you are “investors”, really, why should we care? Again, (if) when he delivers, cool!

    And Logan might have just won Big Zee’s prize for the longest post. How fitting 🙂

  61. Logan says:

    And just to respond to the attack on my storytelling abilities, almost every video we produce is a custom order. “This girl in that costume with that girl in this costume doing _______” which never follows any possible logical reasoning. But customers want customs and we enjoy filming these ideas. I have not told a story in my films since Shadowgirl which was my own story I wanted to do and Crimson Tears which we never filmed. Why? Because we were shooting custom orders– which makes it impossible to have any sort of story arc. So, in reply to that as well, you just have no clue what you’re talking about — and all Distoriton films are scripted by the actors. 😉

  62. Logan says:

    @HWNN: Perhaps. But that highly-touted self-righteous attitude that you’re inferring is shared by quite a few people on these forums who like to make up facts and then try to call out other people on things they know nothing about. An industry term, a business model, a funding source, commenting on films you haven’t seen, trying to change the topic with wordplay manipulation, character attacks upon people you know nothing about not based on commentary, but rather on opinions formulated out of thin air. I speak about what I know about. If you were talking about politics, sports, religion, the origins of Black Panther, biophysics, etc, I wouldn’t say a thing– because I don’t know about those things. But when you’re talking about an industry I’m a very big part of (without mentioning projects or circles, or things I cannot mention without NDA or against NDA), then of course I will have something to say. I live in the heart of Hollywood and I’ve worked many major productions many times unaccredited (because I’m lying? Or because it was done under the radar to avoid certain Union rules, budgeting limitations, etc – you decide– I don’t care about the opinions of factual occurrences)– maybe I am a know-it-all– because I speak about the things I know of. Just like the whole “filmmaking is about artistry” b.s. statement above. You may “want” it to be that way, and the on underlying canvas, it certainly is art, but it’s 95% business – not art – and not the fabricated half-truths and imaginary world you guys sometimes create about this industry. Not forgetting the countless times someone has said I do something I don’t do or don’t do something I clearly do. One person can’t even let go of the fact that we, in some way, have our hands in a lot of music videos out there – you want one? Taylor Swift “Bad Blood” – you want details? Too bad… I bet you’ll search for my name – but you won’t find it. Am I lying? Go for it– say I am. Those are simple productions a part of our every day business. We’re busy wrapping out this sector of our company and in preproduction for our 4th feature film. The smart thing to do is to wait it out and then say “I told you so” instead of attempting to prove how much of a fraud I am lol it’s just ridiculous and it’s third grade behavior. theSuperheroines project was a business. I learned a lot from it– it allowed me to film 3 feature films and set up the platform for a mainstream Cinematic Universe outside of the realm of Marvel/DC beginning with 2 lead female superheroines and ending with a 3rd which will set up a spin-off along with an embedded group for a Netflix series. As for “release dates”, Distribution Deals are in place for large studios– they are not for independent studios – do a little research and you can find out these details instead of making things up and making yourself look uneducated or naive. I won’t comment on the other 2 conversations on this same thread because there’s just no point. I will continue to conduct business – if you want to buy the films I have, go for it. If not, that’s cool too – but if you’re going to debate with someone, at least know what you’re talking about. Oh, and being the business person I’ve been called out to be, visit http://www.theSuperheroines.com and check out the videos that are 50% off right now – they’re on Clearance and being purged from our billing system later this month. The Discount Code is right on the Collection Title: GOODBYE2015. And to end on a complimentary note, specifically for you, @HWNN, I value your opinion and enjoy reading your intellectual take on various topics on this forum– you seem to put legitimate thought into your responses that, while can be criticism, do not come off like an attack. So, for that, I thank you.

  63. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Logan: I feel if you were not such a know-it-all all the time, more people around here would like you more or at least would be less though on you. Food for thought. Sometimes, a litte modesty works wonders.

  64. Logan says:

    Lol you guys clearly have no clue how this business works. From calling this business an artistic medium (which is true only at face value), you clearly have no idea how politics and bureaucracy work. “Mom and dad are investors” is funny. There are no investors for the last 2 feature films. They were self-funded. Another example of how you clearly know nothing about me but like to speak your opinions on my behalf. You guys are hilarious– in an annoying way. I’ll rescind from this conversation as well. I can’t be involved with the lack of competence you exude.

  65. Big Zee says:

    @Bert
    Just trying to help

  66. Bert says:

    See if you can figure out which guy in this video exhibits your attitude.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDwejglFD-I

  67. Big Zee says:

    @Bert
    You are welcome, just trying to help you navigate your way through life.

  68. Seer says:

    Mom and dad are probably the investors. Who else would be OK with unannounced release dates and therefore no money recouping potential in sight?

    I’m just kidding. I’m sure when these ‘films’ are completed, finished up in post-production, then release dates will be announced. Just like how Batman v Superman (to be released in theaters on March 15, 2016), Captain America Civil War (to be released on May 6, 2016), Wonder Woman (to be released June 23, 2017) and Captain Marvel (Expected Release: March 8, 2019) will have their release dates announced after being finished with post-production! 🙂

  69. Bert says:

    Logan – “@Bert: All of what you said regarding how I conduct business…. the only answer to that is “duh”. You just described every businessperson who creates any product with the intention of marketing and profiting off of it with the intention of growing a business.”

    Pfft. Film is an artistic medium. Writers and directors are artists, with passion for their art. They are not business people. I think your ambitions are about to collide with your lack of storytelling talent, and I think your “theatrical feature films” aren’t going to be distributed to theaters at all. Maybe you’ll surprise me. I’m not rooting against you. Why be opposed to good movies? I just haven’t seen anything yet that leads me to believe you have the talent to pull this off. And if I’m right, your investors aren’t going to be very pleased.

  70. Bert says:

    @Big Zee – I hope you weren’t sharing your opinions of Logan’s vids for my benefit. I didn’t ask, and I really don’t care what you think.

  71. Seer says:

    Big Zee doesn’t like the truth, or facts, or substance much. That’s OK Big Zee. I kind of like your posts. You help keep things going.

  72. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Big Zee: there is a prize for the longest post? Damn, wish somebody had told me this before. And what you call “ramblings”, I find well written posts. But heh, to each his own I guess 🙂

  73. Big Zee says:

    @Seer
    You have got to be kidding us with your ramblings. You win the prize for the longest posts. You also win the prize for the most stamina to keep this thread going. You must really thrive on achieving the ‘gotcha’ trophy. Congratulations.

  74. HorseWithNoName says:

    Darn. Try to keep away. But you learn something new every day. I do not pay that much attention to other forums in this little genre (or is it sub-genre). I know I should. But man, this board is so interesting 🙂 Great that we could take a little break from “more-low-blows-all-the-time” 🙂

    Thank you Seer, and thanks to HM for letting this discussion go on.

    I agree with Big Zee (and HM): there should be ZERO insults towards anybody. No need. And Yes, Big Zee, I am hearing great things about “Spotlight”. Gosh, it might even win “Best Picture” this year, some predict 🙂

  75. Seer says:

    So since last night, Logan has gone from…

    “the last time I checked, there were no producers winning Oscars” prefaced by “Look at the ignorance of Bert,”

    to

    “@HWNN: You are correct. It is awarded to the “leaders” now.”

    So after many comments, it took HWNN and HM to convince Logan. Well done. Never thought I’d see the day.

    Clearly you owe Bert an apology.

    “My point is that the award was never meant to be given to one person throughout the history of the Award until it became the only way to do so”

    Throughout the history of Award?

    No, not ‘throughout the history.’ Only from 1929 to 1950, the Best Picture Oscar was given to the Production Company like Universal or RKO Radio. All black and white movies BTW. That’s 21 years of initial history, not throughout. About 25% of 1929 to 2015 history. That ‘throughout the history’ of yours is very Ted Cruz of you.

    From 1951 onward to 2015, aka 64 years (more than 3 x 21 years), much longer part of ‘throughout the history of the Award.’ And in this longer history, the Oscar is won by the Producer.

    And it wasn’t “until it became the only way to do so,” it’s just what AMPAS chose to do. There could be other ways, but what AMPAS did was perfectly fine and made sense in light of the supreme court ruling that broke up the studio system.

    Doesn’t matter how wiki is written when it’s accurate. If you think it’s wrong, you could try editing wiki.

    “All other awards are specifically for the purpose of one person (actor, director) or group (editor), but this one was meant for the production as a whole and originally given to the the “team” and not the Producer”

    No, all the other Oscars are meant to acknowledge elements of a Motion Picture like costume design, makeup and hairstyling, cinematography, etc. Voting members vote for what they like best, and Oscars are won by the human(s) on top of the chain specifically charged to create those elements. Like HM said “Best Musical Score” is won by the Composer. It’s not won by the stack of pages with lines and notes on them, it’s not won by every person who helped realize the Score of the Picture as a sound recording, not by the first violinist, a timpani player, the sound person who set up the mics, the engineer running the console, the choral singers, the 2nd engineer, orchestrators, music copyists, etc. All these people can of course be happy a Score they worked on won the Oscar for the Composer.

    Likewise with the Best Picture category, AMPAS voting members vote for the Picture nominee they like best, and the Oscar is won by, is meant for, the Producer. No if, ands or buts. Youtube is full of videos from Academy Awards where producers win Oscars and give their Oscar speeches thanking people. Everyone involved with the production from the top: Producer, Director, Actors and other above-the-line participants, to the lowly intern or extra who only worked half-a-day on the Picture can be pleased they worked on the winning Picture, but the Oscar goes to… the Producer or Producer(s) of the Motion Picture.

    Logan seems to view the Oscars like millions of people all over the globe who watch the awards show on TV. People of the general audience who are outside the Hollywood industry, not involved or familiar with the inner workings of big studios or significant people in it, running it, or AMPAS. No surprise there.

    “I guess since I haven’t filmed 2 theatrical films this year, I must not know.”

    There’s been evidence that you filmed at least some of Bull. Whether you filmed all of it is known only by you and some others, Whether it ever comes out is unknown. But it will never have a “full theatrical distribution through [] contacts at Sony and Universal.” 99% sure of that.

    Same goes for When the Time.

    Feel free to prove me wrong and release both in 2016 sometime. I’ll periodically check movieinsider.

    “And I guess since Nightshadow doesn’t fit your psychic predictions, it must not be a reality either.”

    No predictions. I’ll take your word for it that it’s a glimmer in your eye. Could happen.

    “I guess if you tell me I’m a nobody in this business, it MUST be true.”

    You’re nobody in Hollywood, that’s true. You’re somebody in SH web videos tho.

    “I guess I’ll move on to trying to win fictitious awards…”

    BHFF does give out awards, but you didn’t win one. In that sense, when you said you did, that was fictitous. But you already tried that, time to move on. Try reality. It’s fun.

  76. Big Zee says:

    @Everyone
    How about some real life stuff, go see Spotlight and then see Bridge of Spies.

  77. Big Zee says:

    @Logan
    No problem, all this back and forth and different threads with overlapping posts gets confusing to me, call this a senior moment. Never realized that you such a popular fellow! One post from you and all hell breaks loose. If I had a dollar for every written word, you would be making customs for me on a daily basis, my own personal assembly line.

  78. Logan says:

    @HWNN: You are correct. It is awarded to the “leaders” now. My point is that the award was never meant to be given to one person throughout the history of the Award until it became the only way to do so (don’t use Wiki for your source of information which is a site written ‘by the people, for the people’– it’s not always 100% accurate). All other awards are specifically for the purpose of one person (actor, director) or group (editor), but this one was meant for the production as a whole and originally given to the the “team” and not the Producer (though the producer would many times (but not all) accept it on behalf of their production team. But like I said, I’ll just let you guys carry on this conversation for eternity lol

    @Big Zee: This thread is for ‘Mainstream Matters’ – we’ll throw any criticism or discussion of my films over to the other thread where it has a home. 🙂

    Thanks for the conversation, everyone– I’ll bow out of this thread now… and hopefully see Creed tonight. Hopefully. 🙂

  79. HorseWithNoName says:

    The “production team” which is lead by the producers who are the recipients of the award, for their leadership. Hence this is why Ben Affleck has two of them to his name. One as screenwriter (with Matt Damon) and one as one of the producers for Argo. It is not that he won the first one for real, and the second one not so really, really 🙂

    @ Big Zee: you are welcome.

  80. Big Zee says:

    @Bert
    I was hoping that we debate the actual quality of the video. There is something intoxicating about the combat choreography in this video but I cannot put my finger on it. This is one of the best HK’s that I have purchased although I have not bought many.
    Actually it is my opinion that Logan’s films got much better as he put out more of them. Assembly line production is a business strategy and I do not see how it affected the quality of the combat choreography except for the better. I liked seeing so many releases in short periods of time so that if something did not appeal to me, I would not have to wait too long before a film would be released that I would buy. The turn around time on my customs was really good. I do not know how many custom orders he receives but after spending significant dollars, it would be very difficult to wait months before its release.

  81. Logan says:

    @HM: I’ll just let this conversation go because it’s going nowhere. I understand your point of view on the topic… the simple fact is that it’s not about the verbiage. It’s about the intent. Regardless of how you word the “Best Actor” award – it’s intended for the actor because the Actor did the performance. Same with editing, songwriting, and all the other examples you came up with. But the “Best Picture” Award was created for the entire film production, not for the Producer. It was then offered to the Film Production Company as a singular award to be given to the business entity only as recognition of the accomplishment of the film being put together by an entire production team – meaning, the whole group from G&E to MUAH to Directing team to Coordination– they were all being acknowledged and awarded for their work as a whole with this award. This changed over the years as the processes in the industry changed to then give it directly to the Producers because it no longer made sense to give it to the “Production House” since those were outsourced many times and ghost teams began working on the projects along with consultants who were brought in, etc. The point it– the Award, though now given to a certain number of Producers– is not a Producer’s Award. It’s an Award recognizing the efforts of the entire production team which is now accepted by the Producer(s)– all due to the fact the industry has been a bit convoluted in recent history. But I digress on this topic. In the end, it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks about who or why the award is given. Or that the term is thrown around loosely nowadays… it’s all terminology that is interchanged within the industry and credit is now awarded via that trophy to the heads of production in a limited form.

  82. Logan says:

    @Bert: Oh, and yes– I filmed an episode with my production coordinator because we “felt like it”. And yes, she happens to be a very similar size to the original actress who played Gold Rush– go figure– those costumes with 4-way stretch fabric– obviously they fit multiple people… I’m sure you of all people have noticed “Distortion” has nothing but new and random actresses in random costumes all the time. We had an extra cam op that day and one of them could also direct, so what was your concern over the fact that we went outside, made some choreography, and filmed it? That seems to really bother you that we had fun on set….

  83. Logan says:

    @Bert: All of what you said regarding how I conduct business…. the only answer to that is “duh”. You just described every businessperson who creates any product with the intention of marketing and profiting off of it with the intention of growing a business.

  84. Bert says:

    I didn’t criticize the film. I haven’t seen it, why would I criticize it? My comment was aimed at another of Logan’s grandiose statements, about his auditioning numbers – and the odd story about this vid.

    As for my buying history, I own well over a dozen, probably closer to two dozen of Logan’s videos spanning most of his production history. Some of his early stuff was good. Cayla Black was terrific and disappeared far too soon. Some early Tiffany vids were good as well. Then the assembly line started and it all went to hell. I don’t buy anymore. I’ve been burned too often.

  85. Big Zee says:

    @Bert
    Got it, Is your reasoning applicable to each time you go after Logan, most recently your criticism of the recent HK film starring his production coordinator? I could understand your point better if you bought the film and criticized the video. It is my opinion that if you want to debate Logan for the next few decades, why not try sometimes to review his films. BTW, no problem if you like my name to be Little Pee; as I said nice ring to it. Is it Pee or pea?

  86. Bert says:

    This whole idiotic argument started when I teased Logan about yet another of his grandiose statements, when he implied that he was part of the industry on the level of these blockbuster films because he’s shot a couple of vanity projects. His response about my “ignorance” regarding producers and Oscars was clearly wrong, and his defense of that assertion has been comical but typical. More amusing still has been his refusal to admit that he also wrote and directed at least one (I assume both) of these projects. Can we agree that writing and directing are, let’s say, less controversially Oscar categories?

    I have summarized the discussion for a self-serving reason: I take some heat here for going after Logan. This conversation has illuminated some of the reasons that inspire me to do that. No other producers on this board make the outrageous claims about themselves that Logan does. Blowhards annoy me.

  87. Big Zee says:

    @Bert
    Tiny Pee has a nice ring to it.
    @HWNN
    I will keep that quote for future use. Thanks and appreciated.

  88. HM says:

    I just have to step in here…

    First, I think a reasonable person could argue that a couple of the comments in this thread have “crossed the line” into the realm of personal insults. It’s obviously a somewhat heated discussion, and I actually find it pretty interesting, but let’s try to keep it as cordial as possible. And just for the record, Logan has not once asked me to remove or edit anyone’s comment, or to ban anyone — I am offering this message of my own accord.

    Second, I just cannot resist anymore because this is really annoying me: Logan, I’m sorry, but you are simply wrong here. The “Best Picture” Oscar is indeed awarded to the film’s producer(s). They are the recipients of the Best Picture Oscar each year.

    The notion that “there (are) no producers winning Oscars” is just completely false. If the argument is that the name of the award isn’t “Best Producer,” that is obviously true, but in the context of this discussion, the difference is purely semantic. By that same token, one could argue that actors don’t receive awards, either, since, contrary to popular belief, there is no award for “Best Actor.” There is instead an award for “Best Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role.” The award is meant to recognize the performance, but the award goes to the actor. Similarly, the Best Picture Oscar is offered in recognition of the film in its entirety, but the award goes to the film’s producers — and to no one else.

    That’s why Brian Grazer, to pick one example out of many, is correctly referred to as an “Academy Award winning producer,” even though his Oscars are for “Best Picture.”

    Along the same lines, it’s why James Horner (RIP) was an “Academy Award winning composer,” even though there is no Oscar for “Best Composer.” His Oscar was for “Best Musical Score.” But surely no one in their right mind would imply that “there are no composers winning Oscars” just because the award recognizes the work rather than the person (or job title).

    …or that “editors don’t win Oscars” because there is no “Best Editor” award…

    …or that “songwriters don’t win Oscars” because there is no “Best Songwriter” award…

    …or that “supporting actors don’t win Oscars” because there is no “Best Supporting Actor” award…

    …or that “directors don’t win Oscars” because there is no “Best Director” award (there is, instead, an Academy Award for “Best Directing”)…

    And so on…

    From Wikipedia (again):

    “The Academy Award for Best Picture is one of the Academy Awards of Merit presented annually since the awards debuted in 1929, by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences (AMPAS) to producers working in the film industry…”

    So, as you can see, in simple and unambiguous language, producers clearly and obviously are the recipients — and winners — of Oscars.

    Just wanted to point that out.

  89. Bert says:

    If we’re quoting The Bard for Tiny Pee, I’d go with:

    “It is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.”

  90. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Big Zee: Or, as the Bard (of Avon, not “the Bart”, a little Simpson reference for you) would put it:

    Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more…
    In peace there’s nothing so becomes a man
    As modest stillness and humility;
    But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
    Then imitate the action of the tiger…”

  91. Big Zee says:

    You guys are up early and ready to battle on. The word perseverance comes to mind. Keep the faith. Onwards and upwards.

  92. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ swampy170: Yes, BUT: “He thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.” Or, as a more educated person like Logan would put it: “LOL”.

  93. Bert says:

    Logan: “Look at the ignorance of Bert, for instance, mentioning an “Oscar”… the last time I checked, there were no producers winning Oscars.”

    Imdb lists “Legend of the Bull”

    Writer: Logan Cross
    Director: Logan Cross

    So now I’m waiting to hear you explain how writing and directing aren’t Oscar categories either.

  94. Bert says:

    Logan, I’ll give you this – you’re consistent. In all the years you’ve been using these forums to market your vids you’ve never admitted you were wrong. It’s not stubbornness with you, it’s pathological. I compared you to Trump a while ago, and I think it’s a valid point. Like The Donald, if you overdo the bombast and get caught in a lie you just double down on it and argue harder. It’s one of the reasons I went from an early supporter of your work to the critic I am now. The other reason is your marketing driven approach. You poll, you track stats, and you make videos according to what your numbers tell you customers want to see.

    In an earlier post on this thread you discussed the movie business. The words you used – hype, M&A gimmicks, timing, genre-specific word of mouth advertising, numeric exposure – that’s what this is to you. It’s not passion for the subject matter or desire to tell a good story that motivates you, it’s just raw ambition. Here’s the problem with that. Paint by numbers, checklist vids might sell in a narrow niche like HIP where, as amply demonstrated by comments, many people will buy simply to see their tiny micro-fetish brought to life. By your own admission the storyline vids you’ve made haven’t sold as well. You interpret that as lower demand for that type of vid. I think you have overlooked the real problem – you aren’t good at telling stories. But guess what; “theatrical feature films” are stories. When the marketing department has creative control you get crappy movies.

  95. swampy170 says:

    The boss wins the award, this is the way awards work – IN EVERY FIELD.

    It’s easy for underlings to think the reward is a bit theirs, it’s not – it’s the reward for the boss (Producer in this case). The boss takes the risk, the boss takes the credit.

    Welcome to the world of work……..

  96. Logan says:

    I mean, it’s clearly not an award for the best overall picture as a whole. It was an award for the producers as you say. Up to three now– someone pointed that out. It couldn’t possibly be an award that encompasses every person who worked on the film as a unified body… From pre to post production — an award given to commemorate that production and everyone who worked on it in totality. No. Not possible. It’s just an award for the producer(s). It couldn’t be that they aren’t going to make 4,500 physical awards to hand out so they award up to 3 physical awards to the producers because they are in charge and at the top of the chain of command. No. The award is for them only. Award-winning producers as you say– not producers with award winning films. I got it now– clearly you guys know what you’re talking about. 😉

  97. Logan says:

    Lol you guys sure do a good job of making yourselves sound extremely uneducated. Oscar categories include best actor, best director, so on and so forth– I’m having trouble locating the “best producer” award. Could you please point me to that? I see the “best picture” award where the producers share the honors of taking home the physical award for films but this “best producer” award you keep referencing eludes me… Hmm… You say it exists so that MUST mean it’s true. Hmm. I guess since I haven’t filmed 2 theatrical films this year, I must not know. And I guess since Nightshadow doesn’t fit your psychic predictions, it must not be a reality either. I guess if you tell me I’m a nobody in this business, it MUST be true. I guess I’ll move on to trying to win fictitious awards…

  98. Seer says:

    Is this the X-men: Apocalypse trailer mentioned. I kind of liked it as an early tease.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COvnHv42T-A

  99. Seer says:

    @Bert
    Yep, strange. Oscar winning producer Kathryn Bigelow would probably say publicly deflated balls can often make someone avoid answering. That’s just a guess.

    He’s been reluctant before. Stlll won’t mention even one, just one, USA music video by his team. Not two, not a list, just one. Yep, strange.

    Doesn’t matter. There’s no Oscar in his future. Unlike Oscar winning producer Harvey Weinstein.

    Plus Logan’s not involved with any theatrical feature films. Non-theatrical feature films perhaps yes. If Nightshadow is ever completed, he could use distribber.com or another aggregator of movies to get on Netflix. Netflix would have to review and approve it. I’d watch it on Netflix. Or Youtube. Don’t put Nolan’s Batman soundtrack on it, Netflix would not approve it then.

    from distribber.com FAQ
    “Netflix Watch Instantly:
    Placement on Netflix Watch Instantly costs $950 for SD and HD. The fee includes negotiating a streaming license for your film, 24/7 ticket support, and handling delivery of your film.
    Short film delivery charge is $850.”

  100. Logan says:

    @Bert: you could easily look up that info.

  101. Bert says:

    Is it just me or has Logan used the Oscar/producer thing to avoid answering whether he is writer or director or cameraman or actor in any of his “theatrical feature films”? For a guy who is usually so anxious to promote his work, it seems strange that he would avoid clearing up such a simple matter.

    I’ve mentioned before that Logan seems to be incapable of admitting being wrong. He’s given us ample evidence of that tonight with his pathetic evasions on the producer/Oscar discussion. Now he won’t even step up and admit what hats he wears on his own projects. Strange.

  102. Big Zee says:

    @Seer
    Re Supergirl, quite the cliffhanger. Her relationship with her boss and the others is annoying and spoils the show at times.

  103. Seer says:

    I’m a regular typo making machine tonight. At least my info is good.

  104. Seer says:

    About Agent Carter, according to vinereport:

    “After initially being given a Jan. 5 air date, “Marvel’s Agent Carter” was pushed back to Jan. 19 to make way for President Barack Obama’s State of the Union Address on Jan. 12, Screenrant reported.

    The decision to move the series to a later airdate was made by ABC to ensure that fans will get to enjoy the weekly series uninterrupted.”

    Screenrant got it’s info from deadline.com!

    I’m guessing Oscar winning producer Ben Affleck would think it’s a good move if asked! Personally, I wish AC was on Netflix so I could watch all episodes whenever I want. With no ads.

    Supergirl was really good tonight.

  105. Big Zee says:

    @Judah,
    Re Agent Carter, a few advertisements are out, they mentioned dates, I can’t remember the start date. Keep a look out for this. The back and forth with Logan is getting old. I lost interest.

  106. Seer says:

    “He has DEFINITLEY got thick skin.”

    Not thick skin: he has deny the truth ad nauseum syndrome. Donald Trump has it too.

    “typing so fast the second “o” in “too” was left out in the corrected post.”

    LOL, you are so right. How embarrassing. 🙂

  107. Judah says:

    WOW…Cheeez…I get home from a hard days work and this thread has gone nuclear. Ok I just started a topic of the new X-Men Apocalypse trailer. Horse gave me a response to which I agree with and so did Logan. Thank you both for that. I agree with Logans point on the visual effects piece. I am intrigued about his NightShandow venture. Like you Logan I am eagerly anticipating DeadPool and I am probably more hyped for Batman v Superman than you are…despite Ben Affleck and the Gal Gadot drama. I wont comment on Oscars and Producers because frankly I know very little about being a producer and I have no time or stamina to watch the Academy Awards. I enjoyed Agent Carter first season yet I heard there was a slight problem with the second and it might have to be pushed back…IDK well see. For those of you that hate on Logan. He has DEFINITLEY got thick skin.

  108. Sugarcoater says:

    Lol, typing so fast the second “o” in “too” was left out in the corrected post.
    Perhaps a new thread for all this back-and-forth could be opened up so that all the recent posts aren’t about the semantics of Oscars and Hollywood.

  109. Seer says:

    Follow up summary: Bert’s not ignorant, Logan is.

  110. Big Zee says:

    @HWNN
    Not sure if you are old enough to appreciate this but America will be on tour starting in January.

  111. Seer says:

    I type to fast!

    Pathological liars LIKE pornstar Logan Cross always think their lies trump truth. Nature of the beast. They can see it no other way.

    Already posted list of Producers who won Oscars. The Truth is what it is: truth. The Logan Cross is what it is: Bizarro.

    🙂

  112. Seer says:

    Pathological liars list pornstar Logan Cross always think their lies trump truth. Nature of the beast. They can see it no other way.

    Already posted list of Producers who won Oscars. The Truth is what it is: truth. The Logan Cross is what it is: Bizarro.

    🙂

  113. Big Zee says:

    @HWNN
    The more I think about High- Rise, the more I believe this could be the future. The followers of Mr. Trump will be the first inhabitants as they seem to afraid of their own shadows. Remember the book Animal Farm?

  114. HorseWithNoName says:

    Oh, boy 🙂

  115. Logan says:

    Lol alright guys. Still wrong. Good effort though. Producers are not awarded trophies — producers take the trophies home– it is awarded to the picture. Argue the point all your want, you will still be wrong. I’ll bow out of this conversation– no point in going back and forth with people who think they know what they’re talking about and even use examples that prove themselves wrong. Have in with your follow-up statements– I’m sure you won’t be able to resist posting them. 😉

  116. Bert says:

    tick tock, tick tock…

  117. Seer says:

    I take that back. You’re not a hollywood know-nothing, just a know-nothing.

  118. Seer says:

    “You guys are so ignorant to what you read. Best Picture Oscars go to the whole production– the Producers may accept the trophy, but there’s no Best Producer Award lol educate yourselves.”

    You’re such a sad little person. Quit embarrassing yourself. Or don’t, I don’t care.

    Your wrong. Entirely wrong. Your spin is sad. Pathetic really, your spin is. You keep trying, and keep failing. Your spin convinces only yourself. You’re a hollywood know-nothing.

    Producers win Oscars. Best Picture Oscar goes to the Producer, not the production company, not the studio, not everyone involved. You might like it to be that way, but what you like does not change the fact: Producer or producers wins the Oscar, each producer gets a statue.

    (Very unlike you where you won zero trophys for BHFF screenplay like you claimed, you were not 2nd runner up, you aren’t even 4th runner up, you were just a finalist among 100 or so finalists, you actually lost, everytime).

    List of Producers who won the Best Picture Academy Award (aka won actual Oscars)…

    Ben Affleck, Kathryn Bigelow, Mark Boal, James L. Brooks, James Cameron, Nicolas Chartier, Robert Chartoff, Michael Cimino, George Clooney, Coen brothers, Bruce Cohen, Christian Colson, Francis Ford Coppola, Kevin Costner, Philip D’Antoni, Bruce Davey, Michael Deeley, Cecil B. DeMille, Michael Douglas, Wendy Finerman, David Franzoni, Dede Gardner, Mel Gibson, Donna Gigliotti, Samuel Goldwyn, Alejandro González Iñárritu, Brian Grazer, Paul Haggis, Jerome Hellman, Grant Heslov, Ron Howard, Lucien Hubbard, Peter Jackson, Dan Jinks, Charles H. Joffe, Mark Johnson (producer), Anthony Katagas, Graham King, Jeremy Kleiner, Alan Ladd, Jr., Jon Landau (film producer), Thomas Langmann, John Lesher (producer), Branko Lustig, Frank McCarthy (producer), Steve McQueen (director), Walter Mirisch, Gerald R. Molen, Marc Norman, Barrie M. Osborne, David Parfitt, Julia Phillips, Brad Pitt, David Puttnam, Martin Richards (producer), Tom Rosenberg, Albert S. Ruddy, Scott Rudin, Edward Saxon, Cathy Schulman, David O. Selznick, Winfield Sheehan, James W. Skotchdopole, Steven Spielberg, Barry Spikings, Steve Starkey, Irving Thalberg, Jeremy Thomas, Steve Tisch, Mike Todd, Kenneth Utt, Hal B. Wallis, Fran Walsh, Harvey Weinstein, Douglas Wick, Jim Wilson (producer), Irwin Winkler, Robert Wise, Saul Zaentz, Darryl F. Zanuck, Richard D. Zanuck, Sam Zimbalist, Edward Zwick

    That’s a lot of Producers winning OSCAR awards that Logan will never be among.

  119. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Big Zee: thanks for the concern. I am a big boy though 🙂 And I sleep very well.

    I might not read Ballard’s Crash, though. The Cronenberg movie based on the book was a little much, and from what I have read about the book it is this, 10 times 🙂

  120. HorseWithNoName says:

    Best Picture (this is from Wikipedia):

    “Recipients
    Originally the production company was presented the award until 1950 whereupon all credited producers were able to receive the award. This rule was modified in 1998, when a three-producer limit was applied due to all five producers of Shakespeare in Love receiving the award.

    As of 2014, the “Special Rules for the Best Picture of the Year Award” limit recipients to those who meet two main requirements:

    those with screen credit of “producer” or “produced by”
    those three or fewer producers who have performed the major portion of the producing functions
    The rules permit “bona fide team[s] of not more than two people to be considered to be a single ‘producer’ if the two individuals have had an established producing partnership for at least the previous five years and as a producing team have produced a minimum of five theatrically-released feature motion pictures during that time.”

    There. I just educated myself 🙂

  121. Big Zee says:

    Hey Everyone,
    Buy the latest HK film, if that does not interest you, then buy Formula for Pain. If you don’t want that one, then buy Thievery, if you don’t want that one, then try Break. I will have more suggestions soon. Happy viewing

  122. Big Zee says:

    @HWNN
    Seriously, surely you are not going to read High-Rise, you might not be able to sleep for weeks. Even if you are thick skinned.

  123. Logan says:

    You guys are so ignorant to what you read. Best Picture Oscars go to the whole production– the Producers may accept the trophy, but there’s no Best Producer Award lol educate yourselves.

  124. Bert says:

    Still waiting Logan.

  125. HorseWithNoName says:

    Speaking of JG Ballard: this thread is turning into car crash porn, fast.

    For the adults, who understand this joke 🙂

    And for the others: yes, producers win Oscars. For the “Best Picture” in any given year 🙂

  126. Logan says:

    @Seer: ahh… ::sigh:: again, you have no idea what you’re talking about. What you lack in knowledge or substance, you sure do attempt to make up in effort.

  127. Seer says:

    Edit:
    You are one of numerous SH fetish videos or SH PG-rated videos, web distributed (and some DVD distributed too) etc

    should be…

    You are one of numerous producers of SH fetish videos or SH PG-rated videos, web distributed (and some DVD distributed too) etc

  128. Seer says:

    Logan says
    “Look at the ignorance of Bert, for instance, mentioning an “Oscar”… the last time I checked, there were no producers winning Oscars.”

    Um…for those who don’t know, like Logan (ignorance defined), the Oscar(s) for Best Picture goes to the producer(s). The Best Picture Oscar IS the producer award.

    Last time Logan checked must have been never. Well, I suppose one can’t expect a know-nothing about hollywood to know how to check on producers winning Oscars.

    Let me say that again cause Logan’s above quote makes it fun.

    The Oscar for BEST PICTURE goes to the PRODUCER.

    THE BEST PICTURE OSCAR IS THE PRODUCER(S) AWARD AT THE OSCARS (aka Academy Awards).

    “Until 1950, the Best Picture award was given to the production company; from 1951 on, it has gone to the producer or producers” – source wikipedia. There are other sources too. (Maybe Logan needs Google to have instructions.)

    Here’s a link to a page that lists Producers who won the Best Picture OSCAR…

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Producers_who_won_the_Best_Picture_Academy_Award

    “Those who do not know what they are talking about should not speak about those matters as they will be the ones who need to remove the foot from their mouth, so to speak.”

    That would be you. Hope you washed your foot.

    “@Seer: yet again, you have no idea what you’re talking about.”

    Sure I do. It’s you who has no idea what you’re talking about, and seldom do.

    You are not remotely “in the mix,” in the arena, in the ballpark, in the city, in the country, on the planet, in the galaxy, of movies like Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, Captain America: Civil War,Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Deadpool, Suicide Squad, X-Men: Apocalypse, Wonder Woman. You are not remotely “in the mix” of TV series like Jessica Jones, DareDevil, Agents of SHIELD or Agent Carter. Those projects are in a galaxy far, far, far, couldn’t be further away from anything you’ve attempted or are attempting.

    You are simply a wishful-thinking wannabe, self-deluded and not fooling anyone here, except Big Zee. You are one of numerous SH fetish videos or SH PG-rated videos, web distributed (and some DVD distributed too), yet the only one with bizarrely full of it, self-aggrandizing posts. It’s too bad this mainstream matters II article is being highjacked by Logan and Big Zee, but oh well, things happen. You two make a good tag team.


    Big Zee says
    “HM has some pretty loose standards when it comes to the definition of insults.” and

    “Well, there is a fine line between negative comments and insults. Some are crossing the line ( no pun intended) on numerous occasions and at every opportunity.” and

    “Growing a thicker skin is a challenge when someone is constantly harassed with negative comments directed at someone personally and not the product. Here is a test for you, what do you think of the word despicable?”

    Well, certainly it’s no surprise you see things that way.

    I, on the other hand, see it as negative, insulting, crossing the line on numerous occasions and at every opportunity, when Logan posts his pathological, it must be, utterances of BS with abandon, insulting people’s intelligence (tho not yours). Constantly harassing this HM site with baloney bordering on despicable (test for you).

    Every movie mentioned in this Mainstream Matters II Article above has had their theatrical release date announced way in advance, and those dates are easy to find, along with many other movies with announced theatrical releases dates. Here’s a really good site where you can find them…

    http://www.movieinsider.com

    So Logan has announced ‘Nightshadow’ for april 2017. Great news, but grain of salt required cause good luck finding it at movieinsider, today, next month, any month in 2016. I guess that means it’s not aimed for full theatrical release.

    Or find Logan’s ‘Legend of the Bull’ (really appropriate title) or “When the Time is Right” (more like “When the Time is Unknown”), titles for two of his feature films that he “will be aiming for full theatrical distribution through our contacts at Sony and Universal.” Well, that’s not going to happen. He has no chance for full theatrical distribution.

    However, if his ‘features’ ever get out of post-production limbo, and are completed, maybe there’s a chance they’ll be accepted and shown at Sundance and Cannes.

    LOL.

    Well, no, that’s not going to happen either. But maybe the Beverly Hills Film Festival? Cause BHFF is to Sundance or Cannes as Heroine Kombat (any of them) is to Star Wars: the Force Awakens. So BHFF is a possibility. Best of luck.

  129. Big Zee says:

    @HWNN
    That’s my Bert

  130. Bert says:

    Logan: “Look at the ignorance of Bert, for instance, mentioning an “Oscar”… the last time I checked, there were no producers winning Oscars.”

    Bert: “Wait, you’re just producing these ‘theatrical feature films”? You didn’t write them? You aren’t directing or filming? You don’t have creative involvement? You are using professional writers and directors? I didn’t know. Maybe I’ve been too harsh about these projects.”

    Logan: “@Bert: you are quite the character. I would base one of mine around you but I prefer that my characters be likable.

    So I guess the question still stands. Logan, did you write these ‘theatrical feature films”? Did you direct them? Did you film them? Do you act in them? Or are you simply the producer?

  131. Logan says:

    @Bert: you are quite the character. I would base one of mine around you but I prefer that my characters be likable.

    @Big Zee: that’s another one of the series that’s still on my list to watch. There’s so much coming out in this genre as a whole lately that I don’t see how anyone has enough time to watch it all. Lol thanks for the kudos to us both by the way 🙂

  132. Bert says:

    Wait, you’re just producing these ‘theatrical feature films”? You didn’t write them? You aren’t directing or filming? You don’t have creative involvement? You are using professional writers and directors? I didn’t know. Maybe I’ve been too harsh about these projects.

  133. Big Zee says:

    @Logan
    Thanks, I will try to restrict my future posts to reviewing films that I have purchased. Please see my comments re your just released HK. I was very impressed with Amanda’s performance. Give her a bonus. I have not yet seen Creed. It is a good film to see with my son when he comes home for the holidays. I understand that the reviews are quite good. This should not come a surprise to you when I tell you that I am anxiously awaiting the new season of Agent Carter, yes more ‘girl power’ or should I now say ‘woman power’.

  134. Logan says:

    @Big Zee: lol don’t worry about the “insults” on the board. We’ve discussed enough times, I think, that these types of people will always exist. When ‘Nightshadow’ is released, they will have the same comments. Look at the ignorance of Bert, for instance, mentioning an “Oscar”… the last time I checked, there were no producers winning Oscars. 😉 Just let those people be. This is probably the only bit of happiness they have in their little world – jumping onto forums to talk trash about others. They do the sam thing on the other threads so it’s not just targeted at me. HWNN is right– they are entitled to their belligerence… I mean “different opinions”… I don’t expect everyone to be supportive– especially when they are out to prove some sort of “corrupt business ethics” as you’ve seen plastered all over this forum. Those who do not know what they are talking about should not speak about those matters as they will be the ones who need to remove the foot from their mouth, so to speak. In terms of this discussion, I’m excited for Civil War and willing to give Batman vs Superman a try though Superman is my least favorite superhero of the mainstream main characters. Deadpan has my money on opening day if I can get to it… I’ve been told to go watch Creed ASAP so I’m trying to make that happen in the next few days…. anyone else seen it?

  135. Big Zee says:

    @HWNN
    Took your advice on High-Rise. I did not understand the trailer until I read the plot summary of the book. Very scary stuff, hopefully not an indicator of our future. Nevertheless an interesting harbinger, maybe sooner as opposed to later? I am not sure if I have the stomach to see the movie as I am ‘thin skinned’.

  136. Big Zee says:

    @HWNN
    Growing a thicker skin is a challenge when someone is constantly harassed with negative comments directed at someone personally and not the product. Here is a test for you, what do you think of the word despicable?
    I will check out the trailer for sure.
    BTW, read the Velvet stories, great’ woman’ power.

  137. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Big Zee: you do check out the trailer. Have not gotten around to reading the book, but it is on my tablet 🙂

    And as far as Logan and his movie making efforts are concerned: I welcome those. Kudos to him. But I feel it is perfectly alright when people call him out. This happens to any creator who is on any form of social media. So Big Zee, maybe you want to grow a thicker skin when it comes to creators getting called out 🙂

  138. Big Zee says:

    @HWNN
    Well, there is a fine line between negative
    comments and insults. Some are crossing the line ( no pun intended) on numerous occasions and at every opportunity. While I do not agree with you at times, your posts are very tasteful and eloquent, certainly better than me.
    Yes, I do complain, perhaps overly so.
    Thanks for the the heads up, will check it out.

  139. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Big Zee: I know this is not directed towards me, but since there were no insults,
    it is called “expressing different opinions”. THAT is a good thing 🙂

    And I for one welcome that this board is not monitored by any “thought police”, so please do stop complaining that is should be.

    And on a more positive note, do check out the new trailer for a little movie called “High-Rise” (based on the book by JG Ballard, starring Loki from the Thor and Avengers movies, Tom Hiddleston). Now THAT is what I call a great trailer.

  140. Big Zee says:

    @Logan
    Your ‘friends’ are at it again. HM has some pretty loose standards when it comes to the definition of insults.
    I noticed that some of your newbies have screen credits on one of your movies in post production.

  141. Bert says:

    “There’s a lot going on with the mainstream market and it’s very exciting to be in the mix of it.”

    Logan, do you think we’ll see you on the red carpet at this year’s Oscar’s, or will we have to wait until next year?

  142. HorseWithNoName says:

    In my two cents, everybody is allowed to pitch in when discussing movies, and I love to hear the thoughts of producers who work in this genre.

    But I feel very differently. Sure, marketing is important. And so are visual effects, which we feel must be outstanding everytime around. But when you follow online movie discussions by critics and fans, this is not what keeps people engaged in these types of movies. And yes, it is also true that more and more people base their movie going decision on the Rotten Tomatoes score. There is a reason why a lot of big budget movies tanked, especially this year.

    What keeps these genre movies alive (yes a certain spectacle, i.e. action set pieces are important) and gives them positive reviews and good word of mouths, is the story and its execution and the actors. Look who they cast in these movies. For example Michael Fassbender, who is quickly becoming one of best actors around, he “was” Steve Jobs and Macbeth this year alone, and he, as Magneto, is outstanding in the X-movies, or most recently Cate Blanchett who will most likely join the cast of Thor 3.

    Yes, marketing will get a certain number of people into movie theaters and we all like great action and great F/X, but what makes a lot of these movies outstanding, keeps people engaged and gives them good reviews from all reviewers around (both Winter Soldier and the most recent X-Men movie had an RT score of around 90 last year) is the top talent that work on them. Just look at the cast list for Dr. Strange. Give me a break 🙂

  143. Logan says:

    @Seer: yet again, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

  144. Seer says:

    Oh brother! Hey Logan, you are not in the mix of the mainstream movies being discussed here. You’re pretending to elevate yourself way too high. Pretty funny though.

  145. Logan says:

    They have been trying very desperately to keep the hype going on projects that are being more and more reliant on Visual Effects– this is to keep the viewers talking about it and engaged, but the post-production process is taking more people and more time to do than any other type of film. This is going to be true with our upcoming “Nightshadow” film– we will have to follow suit and do many of the same M&A gimmicks to stay relevant (us, for many reasons) and it can make or break your film. Timing is crucial and they use each other’s releases to bounce their own ideas through previews and genre-specific word of mouth advertising to gain numeric exposure… I was also disappointed in the trailer – but for different reasons. There’s a lot going on with the mainstream market and it’s very exciting to be in the mix of it. 🙂

  146. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Judah: most of F/X shots we see in the trailer are clearly not finished. These usually take the longest in post. Remember, the new Star Wars movie only got done 2 or 3 weeks ago. The new X-Men trailer clearly shows that you should not release an effects heavy trailer this early on. I believe when the first trailers for the most recent X-Men movies came out, they featured hardly any effects shots, and they looked much better for it. This here is clearly a case of too soon and too much.

  147. Judah says:

    Anybody catch the X-Men Apocalypse trailer. I’m kinda feeling conflicted on it. To me it was an overly hyped trailer that I felt did not deliver. That’s not to say the movie will be bad or maybe they haven’t finished all the special effects or editing yet. However, when watching this trailer I did get the feel that it could have been more. I almost clicked off when at the very end of the trailer you see James Mcavoy as the comic Professor X. I wonder if this scene will appear in the movie as some storyline where Charles Xavier embraces his destiny to help other mutants as Professor X or was it simply shot for the trailer to get people amped up. Either way well just have to wait for the film to be released.

  148. Seer says:

    Suicide Squad
    My only interest in this is Margot Robbie as Harley. Will see it for her, but will probably wait for DVD.

    Batman v Superman
    Looking forward to it. Will see in theater.

    Captain America: Civil War
    Liked both Cap movies. Looking forward to this. Will see in theater.

    Jessica Jones
    Watched it, liked it. Liked the performances. Story was alright. The fights, action, worked for me, tho Daredevil fights are more fun. Thought villain got off easy. Looking forward to Luke Cage series, and Defenders series.

    Supergirl
    After Smallville, Arrow, the Flash, this show feels like more of the same. Actually didn’t like Arrow at all till season three, now I like it. Supergirl needs more time to find itself. Melissa’s cute and a capable lead. Too many supporting characters with little depth, practically one-dimensional, need some of them to be fleshed out more. They’re sort of doing that with Cat, but only somewhat. A somewhat good show that’s not clicking with me yet. Still I hope it lasts awhile so it can evolve.

    Star Wars: The Force Awakens
    Looking forward to it. Will see in theater. Main interest comes from Han, Chewie, Leia, and Luke returning. Hope it’s better than episodes 1, 2, and 3, that shouldn’t be hard to accomplish. Should greatly benefit from Kasdan writing screenplay.

    Deadpool
    Lots of comedy, but suits the character. And Morena Baccarin is in it with a sex scene, a must see! Theater or DVD, undecided.

    X-Men: Apocalypse
    Looking foward to it. Theater or DVD, undecided.

    Wonder Woman
    Looking forward to it. Will see in theater. High expectations for Gal Gadot and other cast. No expectations for story, too little info, just hope it’s good.

    Agent Carter
    Looking forward to it. Expect it to be even better than season 1.

    Agents of SHIELD
    Big fan. Season 1 was dissappointing until the last five or so episodes when SHIELD had it’s big shake-up. Now it’s great.

    Iron Fist
    Don’t know this character. No expectations. I subscribe to Netflix, so I’ll definitely watch it.

    Daredevil season 2
    Definite watch.

  149. Mike J says:

    – I’m really looking forward to Captain America – Civil War. I lived Winter Soldier, and this looks like is has that same personal feel, being about characters and relationships along with action. Where Avengers movies are more about the spectacle.

    – Having said that I still enjoyed Age of Ultron, though I prefer the first Avengers movies.

    – Not really looking forward to Batman v Superman, will definitely wait until some friends see it first. Wasn’t really enthused by either trailer and definitely not the second one. Still not buying Affleck as Batman, though Gadot is growing on me a little. How much I like her in this will determine if I see her stand alone movie. Not really feeling the Lex Luthor casting either. Disclaimer, I wasn’t really a fan of Man of Steel.

    – I’ve seen every Star Wars to date, and this one will be no different, already have tickets. I’m curbing my expectations, but I doesn’t look to be a kiddie as the Phantom Menace. It was the characters that made the originals good, not the action or effects. But we’re in an age, with a generation where the audience wants to see eye candy, action pieces, etc, so I think this may be successful even if the characters aren’t outstanding.

    – I’ve enjoyed Jessica Jones so far.

    – Not so much Supergirl. I like the character that players her, but the show had too many deficiencies for me to continue watching it.

    – I’m looking forward to Suicide Squad, don’t really have any feelings one way or the other with Deadpool yet.

  150. Neil D says:

    I’m looking forward to the Batman v Superman, though I didn’t care for Man of Steel so much. I have other thoughts on previous movies, but I only just finally watched that one on netflix. Looking to the present, I really enjoy Daredevil when I watch it. But then I forget to watch it further, something doesn’t stick with me. It’s dark and clever, but sticks to safe tropes & doesn’t really stretch.

    Supergirl has been the opposite. I was “eh, it’s ok-ish, and the lead actors are good”, but then it stays with me. By the following Monday, I’m really looking forward to it, and each one has been better than I expected. Its got some significant flaws, but they are heavily outweighed by it’s good stuff. It has big aspirations, and often falls short, but I like that they try. And the last episode had a scene that fired on all cylinders, really nailed it.

    Jessica Jones is kind of in the middle. I also haven’t time to binge it, but I do look forward to watching it, and it feels like it has more potential depth than Daredevil. Enjoying it as well. Given my time constraints, it’ll take preference over Daredevil.

    And I’m really looking forward to the new SW movie – even if it’s standard JJ Abrams fare, I think it’ll at least be fun, and won’t make me cringe. 🙂

  151. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Chillyplasma: great that you like all the Marvel Studios movies so much, and their TV shows for that matter.

    All that stuff is very subjective and you like what you like, but don’t expect everybody to see it the same way, especially since your basic arguement seems to be Marvel (movies, TV) = great, DC (movies, TV) = not very good, to put it mildly.

    I personally don’t care if it says Marvel or DC as long as it is “good”.

    Suicide Squad has “way too many characters”. The same arguement can be applied to Civil War (by its very nature) or the two Avengers movies. Or the X-Men movies. If handled correctly, these turn out good or not so good. I have watched Age of Ultron more than once, really wanted to like it. But no, for me personally, it is not a good movie. Neither is the second Thor movie. Alan Taylor has done some outstanding work on Game of Thrones, but unfortunately not here. I did not watch Ant-Man, the first Marvel Studios movie I skipped, because I have become less interested in their insistence to always have to have plenty of jokes in their movies. The very first Ant-Man story, before he even was a superhero, from Tales to Astonish from the 1960s, was a horror story. Would have watched a movie version of that. But that is just personal taste. Hopefully Dr. Strange will be at least a little bit more like that i.e. have a strong Ditko influence, also visually. They got a horror director, so I really hope this will turn out good. After Winter Soldier I wanted another Cap solo movie with him, Bucky, Falcon, Black Widow and Sharon. So what I have seen so far from CW leaves me kinda cold. It is telling that Black Widow already looks less sexy in the promo stuff than she did in Winter Soldier. Cap as Avengers 2.5 means less sexy and less gritty, since everything needs to be in line with the Avengers style. I am sure she will not kill anybody in Avengers 2.5 as she did in Winter Soldier.

    I love the Daredevil and Jessica Jones shows (Jessica Jones to a lesser degree). But I also liked the first two seasons of Arrow. Completely different for a different audience. I have yet to watch Flash or Supergirl, but I understand that I am not their audience. Keep hearing how great Flash is, so I will check it out eventually.

    Yes, Star Wars is a product, but so are all movies, TV shows, etc. Yes, in order to make huge bank it does not have to be good because it is Star Wars, but going forward it better be. It will make bank on old fan boys (the avarage age of all these people who bought all those advance tickets is *thirty-four*). They and a lot of little kids will buy the toys. But there is a reasons why the leads of the new movie are a girl and a black dude. Going forward they will need to hook a young, more diverse audience, but this young audience has so many choices these days (it ain’t the 1980s anymore) and in order to connect with this also fairly jaded younger crowd it needs to speak to them and in “good” way. So will it make a ton of money? Of course. Will it be a critical hit with an audience of 15 to 24 year olds? I have doubts based on what I have seen so far. It feels like its trying to please the old fans (hence old Han) while trying to show how hip it can be, “look, we have a really cool black dude doing really cool stuff and a girl we gave a really, really long staff to, do not pay attention to the fact that she can’t act to save her life, she has this really long, really cool staff”. This mix kinda worked for X-Men Days of Future Past, kinda, but with Star Wars the expectations are much higher and Bryan Singer is a much better director than J.J. Abrams. I am also surprised they let him do yet another Khan in the marketing with Luke.

  152. Chillyplasma says:

    So far Marvel has not put a foot wrong. Avengers 2 is a good movie, just didn’t have the novelty factor of the original. If you didn’t like Avengers 2 you might want to watch again and pay attention to the subtlety of the stories. The Captain America and Thor sequels were both better than the originals. The Civil War movie will be amazing simply because such a movie would have been impossible not long ago.
    Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Agent Carter are all demonstrating that story-telling is more important than action. And Agents of SHIELD has become its own beast, like a small on-going movie every week (hmmm, like a comic book…).
    Deadpool is going to be awesome. If they get the character right the movie will work, and looks like they got the character right.
    I think Age of Apocalypse will be another successful X-Men film.

    DC look desperate. I don’t care about Batman, Superman or Wonder Woman in that movie and the trailer doesn’t make sense or provide any fun. Suicide Squad looks like it could be better, but with way too many new characters at one time I will skip it.
    The DC TV shows are all aimed at a less sophisticated audience. Supergirl is not a good show, Calista Flockhart’s character has the only good writing and acting in the whole thing.

    The Star Wars movie is a product, it doesn’t have to be good, it has to have special effects and things that can be sold as toys and follow a very basic story. I will be watching it at midnight the first day, but I’m not excited – all they have to do is not screw it up and they will get all the money.

  153. vadimfv says:

    Yeah, I was going to say, you forgot about the CW’s DC stuff: you’ve got more great heroines on those shows than most of the others combined: Speedy, Black Canary, White Canary, Hawkgirl, Felicity Smoak, even the villainess Doctor Light, and we’ll see even more of some of them soon on the new Legends of Tomorrow series…plus have people seen the Vixen web series on CW Seed? Adult cartoon all the way.

  154. Gil says:

    Some interesting stuff coming down the pike for 2016 for sure. Don’t know if anyone saw the Arrow/Flash crossover in the last week or so, but they introduced Hawkgirl to the TV DCU, as well as Vandal Savage. I guess, like Sidekick, I have had mixed reactions to the last year or so of comics-based films (have not seen Thor; Dark World – reviews were dreadful) , but I am looking forward to BvS; even though Man of Steel likewise left me cold. And on the comic book front, Frank Miller is back on a Batman series for the first time in , what, a decade? That’s good news, in that at least he has stopped trying to direct films!

  155. wid says:

    Aside from the Supergirl series and Star Wars (hoping it’s good), I have zero interest in any of the other mainstream stuff, especially DC/Marvel books. For those that enjoy it, enjoy. They’ve lost me completely with the direction they’ve been going for the past 10 or so years.

  156. Rebelfriendz says:

    The first BVS trailer had me positively giddy. The tone, the characters, the story. Everything. I was so pumped and was looking forward for this. The second trailer made me think They just did an Age of Ultron where the first trailer was so good and dark and the second one, not so much and the movie was mediocre. I am still cautiously optimistic.

    One main problem I had with the trailer is it showed too much. I dont care that they showed Doomsday that much but that shot of wonder woman blocking Dommsday’s attack should have been experienced first time in the movies. Would have made my jaw drop.

    I agree with Horsewithnoname on why Batman is older. Makes for better story telling. Worldweary batman taking on new superman sounds much better than two new heroes going against each other for egotistical reasons.

    Jessica jones, I found the pacing so off and the fight choreography was so terrible. It had the potential to be great but shot itself in the foot for me. Still good. Kilgrave is an amazing villain and david tennat was terrific.

  157. Phoxy says:

    “After loving Winter Soldier I have lowered expectations for Civil War, because I loved Winter Soldier so much (in my opinion Marvel’s best film to date) and I’d rather see a Cap movie than Avengers 2.5.”
    ^
    ^
    ^
    THIS

    Horse and I have had this discussion already. Although, I have higher hopes for Civil War because it’s such a pivotal story within the MCU and could potentially set the stage for Phase 3.

    The fact that Deadpool is getting an R rating, is in and of itself enough to get me excited…’Nuff Said

  158. Evilyab says:

    I’m pretty cold on BvS honestly, though I found Man of Steel loud, violent and boring, and generally don’t like Zach Snyder. I’m just hoping the Afleck Batman movies and the Wonder Woman movie are good.

    Martel’s stuff has been pretty reliable. Civil War won’t blow my mind, but it’ll probably be a fun time with friends.

  159. HorseWithNoName says:

    @ Sidekick: thanks for putting this up.

    The why make Batman older thing. Two reasons: BvS draws from the original comics series “The Dark Knight Returns” by Frank Miller from the 1980s. This was the first comic in which Batman and Superman fought. The costumes Affleck is wearing are very much based on Miller’s book. And it did feature an old Batman. Not just older, but old. Old like in Clint Eastwood old who a lot of people thought perfect for the role for a full adaptation of that series. There were two comic books that did change comic books forever: this one and Watchmen, coming out at nearly the same time. So Snyder has been doing both basically. But the main reason why an older Batman: for story reasons. If you want your DC movie universe to already have a backstory and a history (e.g. Joker has been around for years, Robin seems to have been killed – which is right out of the DKR -, we will see Wonder Woman in WWI) you need one of your main heroes to be older as well. Superman was just established with “Man of Steel”, so it needs to be Batman.

    And I have been hearing, based on what people say who have seen the movie, that Wonder Woman is the stand-out character from the movie. After the last trailer I can see why this may well be the case.

    Agree with you assessment of Marvel’s Phase 2. I have high hopes for Dr. Strange. The cast is amazing. After loving Winter Soldier I have lowered expectations for Civil War, because I loved Winter Soldier so much (in my opinion Marvel’s best film to date) and I’d rather see a Cap movie than Avengers 2.5.

    I have serious doubts about The Force Awakens. But I am fully on board for Rogue One. Filicity Jones is a star in the making. Can’t say the same about the female lead for the new Star Wars. She looked and sounded horrible in the trailers. Adam Driver will kill it though and the lady from Game of Thrones.

    You are wrong about Deadpool / Ryan Reynolds. “They don’t keep casting him”, he has been working to get this movie made for years. After he was “forced” to butcher the character in the first Wolverine movie. He is the only reason why we have this Deadpool movie now. He is a huge fan of the character, who, by the way was created by Rob Liefeld 🙂

    Total agreement about Suicide Squad. This could potentially be better than BvS.

    Looking forward to Daredevil Season 2 and X-Men of course 🙂 Not sure if the Iron Fist series is still happening. Word is that they might drop it for a Punisher series.